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Johannes 16th April 2017 11:31

Re: Is there a list of German Bomber Aces
 
Hi Guys

Seems he was killed possibly in collision with a Jak-9 in Fw190 "White 8" Wnr.584364 1,5km East of Letschin/Kreis Lebus quadrant 43362.

Kind Regards

Johannes

P.S can't say I have seen a tank ace list, but any list would be totally dominated by Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

PMoz99 17th April 2017 15:15

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Maksim, I suspect a Frontflug is just a mission, such as transport, and even perhaps any mission where there was no combat, whereas a Feindflug is a combat mission.
For example, Harl-Heinz Stahnke had 600 missions by 4/1944, but ended the war with around 300 combat missions.

Tim O. 19th April 2017 00:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxim1 (Post 232352)
Hello, G. R. Morrison.

What is the difference between Feindflüge and Frontflüge?

Regards,
Maksim

A Feindflug is a mission over enemy territory or into enemy airspace; Frontflüge were the number of 'flights' credited to an airman towards the award of a Frontflugspange (in gold, silver, bronze). As mentioned above, when a mission extended over 4 hours in enemy air space, the airman was awarded double points towards the Spange, increasing to 3 and 4 points for over 6 and over 8 hour flights. Single-engine fighters and dive-bombers usually only had the range for short flights so it is transport, bomber and reconnaissance airmen who tended to accumulate multiple scores.

Maxim1 19th April 2017 16:19

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PMoz99
Tim O.

OK, thank you very much.

Regards,
Maksim

Stig Jarlevik 21st April 2017 16:53

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Tim

I don't think a Feindflug had to be over enemy territory. I believe combat mission is good enough, ie a mission where some form of enemy contact was either made or intended to be made.

For example, in the west, most missions flown by the fighter units from ca mid-1941 were defensive missions, not to mention from 1943 when the never ending missions to protect Germany itself started.

Since you most certainly know this I just wanted to point out that territory can't have been the critical issue.

Cheers
Stig

Tim O. 22nd April 2017 23:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 232596)
Tim

I don't think a Feindflug had to be over enemy territory. I believe combat mission is good enough, ie a mission where some form of enemy contact was either made or intended to be made.

For example, in the west, most missions flown by the fighter units from ca mid-1941 were defensive missions, not to mention from 1943 when the never ending missions to protect Germany itself started.

Since you most certainly know this I just wanted to point out that territory can't have been the critical issue.

Cheers
Stig

Hi Stig

You are of course correct. The criteria had to change as German military activity became increasingly defensive. Thanks for the correction.

Best wishes
Tim O.


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