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Happy to, SES. Here it is.

Attachment 542

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Hi,
You definately have a true mystery. To the best of knowledge the Me 210 was not employed operationally with radar, this excludes a night Fühlungshalter role. It would be odd if NJG 4 had these aircraft for a day role, but in our field of research I have learned thet we never say never. Is your source the KTB of II JK or Lft.3?
bregds
SES

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It was nothing operational. It was from a conference on units and the electronics they possessed. It was run by Luftflotte 3 between 18.2.44 and 28.2.44.

I am pretty certain that the Me 210 did not carry radar for this duty. Since it was with a night-fighter unit, I had not even considered that it might be used for daylight raids. I had thought that it would be directed to the bomber stream, and then to drop flares to light up the route of those bombers.

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Thank you very much.
bregds
SES

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Can anyone add any info to the following loss data?

Me 210, 0187, Schlotter, Fw. Karl (Bf), , , Luftbeobachterst. 3, , , , , 11-Feb-44, Killed in FSA due to enemy fire., , RLV, VLM, , West of Koblenz, 100%, F
Ju 88C-6, 750715, Wortmann, Uffz. Heinrich, , 2., Luftbeobachterst. (NJG 3), , D5+CY, , , 22-Apr-44, KIA with crew in Luftkampf., , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.260; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.76, 81, , Dollern/Stade, 100%, F
Ju 88C-6, 360046, Bürkle, Ogefr. Hermann/Fohr, Ogefr Richard (1wart), , 2., Luftbeobachterst. (NJG 3), , D5+EY, , , 22-Apr-44, Both KIA due to enemy fire while taxiing., , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.260; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.82, , Stade, b, F
Ju 88C-6, 750400, Piehler, Fw. Erich, , , Luftbeobachterst. 1, , , , , 28-May-44, Crew killed in crash., , Nachtjagd, Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.51, , Lichtenstein/Thüringen, 100%, F
Ju 88C-6, 750984, Sonnenberg, Fw., , , Luftbeobachterst. 2, , , , , 22-Feb-44, KIA in Luftkampf with B-17s. 1 other KIA, 1 WIA., , Nachtjagd, Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.81, , Kassel, 100%, F
Ju 88C-6, 751005, Obrock, Uffz. Werner (Bf), , , Luftbeobachterst. 3, , , , , 15-Feb-44, Injured, hit tree after take-off and crashed., , RLV, VLM, , Fl.Pl. Deelen near Arnheim, 90%, F
Ju 88C-6, 751461, Wolf, Uffz. Xaver (Bf), , , Luftbeobachterst. 3, , , , , 25-Feb-44, Injured in Notlandung due to engien damage. 1 other injured., , RLV, VLM, , Niederwerth/Holland, b, F
Ju 88R-2, 751036, Dreher, Ofw. Kurt (Bm), , , Luftbeobachterst. 3, , , , , 28-Apr-44, Injured in FSA after Luftkampf., , RLV, VLM, , Perwez/Belgien, 100%, F
Ju 88C-6, 720113, Schelenz, Fw. Rudolf (B)/Stark, Uffz. Adalbert (F), , , Luftbeobachterst. 3, , , , , 20-Feb-44, Crew injured in Notlandung due to fuel shortage., RLV, VLM, , Kardenhövel near Reifferscheid, 60%, F
Bf 110G-3, 5509, Roer, Gefr. Heinrich (?), , , Luftbeob.St. 7, , 6M+JL, , , 19-Mar-44, WIA in Luftkampf., , Nachtjagd, Kock, Das Kriegstagebuch des NJG6, p.59, , Osoppo, b, F
Bf 110G-2, 410097, Pritschow, Ofw. Friedrich (F)/Schneider, Uffz. Karl (Bf), , , Luftbeob.St. 7, , M8+LN, , , 25-Feb-44, Both WIA in Luftkampf., , Nachtjagd, Kock, Das Kriegstagebuch des NJG6, p.49, , near Wels, b, F
Bf 110G-3, 5485, Böch, Fw. Franz (F)/Daute, Uffz. Heinrich (Bf), , , Luftbeob.St. 7, , , , , 07-Apr-44, Bf KIA in Luftkampf. Pilot OK., , Nachtjagd, Kock, Das Kriegstagebuch des NJG6, p.69, , Treviso, b, F
Bf 110F-4, 4782, Sander, Uffz. Horst (F)/Mann, Ogefr. Karl (Bf), , , Luftbeobachterst. 2, , RF+FF, RF+FF, , 24-Feb-44, WIA in Luftkampf. Bf KIA., , Nachtjagd, Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.81, , Erfurt, b, F
Bf 110G-3, 5502, , , 2., Luftbeobachtersta., , 5H+GK, , , 28-Dec-43, Notlandung due to fuel shortage., , RLV, Sporen aan De Hemel, II, p.273-4, , , 50%, F

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Impressive list, most come from NVM, just one to add

240244, 2.luftbeob.../III.NJG3 BF110G-4 4782 KF+FF 100% Erfurt Abst.feindbesch. 13h30.
All the losses I hv are between 12h00 nd 18h00, it seems that these units operated gen. by day, or are used "aggressivly" by day, nd making observ. tasks by night.
remi