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Nick Beale 1st December 2019 11:41

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád (Post 278707)
this book started out as a grad-school thesis."

Which often means that you can find a downloadable version of the text on the university's website.

Nick Hector 1st December 2019 12:54

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
"Black Tulip is the story of the top-scoring ace in history, a World War II Luftwaffe pilot named Erich Hartmann (1922–1993). Over 1,404 wartime missions, Hartmann scored 352 kills (the top American ace, Dick Bong, scored 40) and his career was full of drama."

Sorry, that's already looking bad....

Flitzer 7th December 2019 22:50

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Sounds like Hartman may have been part of a gigantic hoax enabled by all his fellow pilots. I'll enjoy the book when it comes out, as I enjoyed "Another Bowl of Kaputska", and my all time favorite of this genre "In Defiance". We're all serious here, but that doesn't mean we can't have a laugh once in awhile.

FalkeEins 11th December 2019 15:39

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flitzer (Post 279051)
Sounds like Hartman may have been part of a gigantic hoax

..see 'The Myth of the Eastern Front' (Smelser/Davies, Cambridge University Press, 2008)

Jukka Juutinen 11th December 2019 16:17

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Why bother with that extremely biased concoction?

FalkeEins 22nd December 2019 15:06

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
..well, there's a clue in the sub-title of Schmidt's book I'd have thought..

( and the jacket illustration on amazon indicates that the sub-title doesn't read 'Life and Legacy' as this thread would have it...)

Nick Hector 23rd December 2019 01:29

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FalkeEins (Post 279754)
..well, there's a clue in the sub-title of Schmidt's book I'd have thought..

( and the jacket illustration on amazon indicates that the sub-title doesn't read 'Life and Legacy' as this thread would have it...)

You have an excellent point, but I am left wondering:

Given that there are several myths attached to Hartmann, which particular one does the author seek to address?

Nick Hector 30th May 2020 16:29

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
So...
...Has anyone actually checked this one out yet?

Frank Olynyk 30th May 2020 17:15

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
I have it, and have read it. As a biography of Hartmann it is a very modest effort. There is no victory list for him. There is only (as I remember) a single mention of the controversy around his claiming (and it is only a mention, not a discussion). In many ways the book is more a discussion of the nature of Nazi Germany, than a biography of Erich Hartmann.

Enjoy!

Frank.

Nick Hector 31st May 2020 03:06

Re: Black Tulip: The Life and Legacy of Erich Hartmann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Olynyk (Post 289538)
I have it, and have read it. As a biography of Hartmann it is a very modest effort. There is no victory list for him. There is only (as I remember) a single mention of the controversy around his claiming (and it is only a mention, not a discussion). In many ways the book is more a discussion of the nature of Nazi Germany, than a biography of Erich Hartmann.

Enjoy!

Frank.


Thanks very much for your reply, Frank. Sounds like this one can stay on the shelf...


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