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Franek Grabowski 9th May 2023 01:15

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Nationality is a matter of self identification and cannot be a subject of regulations. I knew a guy born in Brasil to Polish parents, and who later migrated to Canada. He visited Poland for the first time in his life several years after the war, and still he spoke perfect Polish with no trace of accent. He considered himself Polish and served Polish Air Force during the war. There are several people, who live abroad and not in their country or even do not have their country, but keep their identification, despite having another citizenship, which often is a necessity and not a choice.

VtwinVince 9th May 2023 17:49

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Indeed, now you're getting into the finer points of ethnicity versus nationality.

edwest2 9th May 2023 18:20

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
I think the only point to consider is ethnicity. If one parent was Irish and the other English then you are Irish-English regardless of where you were born.

VtwinVince 10th May 2023 17:39

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
I would agree with that, Ed. However, what about groups such as the Gastarbeiter Turks in Germany? Ethnic Turks, born there, who are probably more 'German' than ethnic Germans.

Nick Beale 10th May 2023 17:44

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Getting increasingly off-topic here.

VtwinVince 11th May 2023 17:51

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Not really, the original question was the ethnicity of a Greek-name-sounding German, which is what we're discussing.

Nick Beale 11th May 2023 19:13

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VtwinVince (Post 329485)
Not really, the original question was the ethnicity of a Greek-name-sounding German, which is what we're discussing.

The only question here is whether this airman was, in the eyes of the German state either Reichsdeutsch, in one of the Volksdeutsch categories or a foreign volunteer. How any of us now feels about nationality has no bearing on that historical position.

VtwinVince 12th May 2023 18:19

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Aha, that is certainly true.

Franek Grabowski 16th May 2023 12:21

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
AFAIK only German citizens could serve in Wehrmacht, hence foreigners served in Waffen SS.
The question was about identity of people originating or living in Central Europe, and simply you do not understand how complicated the issue is and was due to rather turbulent history. It was not uncommon here to have people of the same ethnicity (siblings) declaring different nationality regardless of citizenship held.

VtwinVince 16th May 2023 17:54

Re: Alexander Vakalopoulos,DKiG Holder
 
Not sure if your comment is directed at me, but I can assure you that I am no newcomer to the study of such matters.


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