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James A Pratt III 7th August 2024 17:33

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
BCRS V2 P64 has SKA-063 sunk by the Luftwaffe navy.su/other/lost/index.htm has this craft sunk by coastal artillery. I believe a number of Soviet small craft were either sunk or damaged during this period so you can understand the confusion over who sank who.

Operation Eisstoss or ice thrust 4-5 April 42 and operation Gotz Von Berlichingen
BCRS V2 page 174-178
Battleship October Revolution
BCRS V2 4 Apr 42 near miss 24 Apr 42 "close hit"
Russian and Soviet Battleships Stephen McLaugin
4 Apr 42 hit "1 heavy and 3 medium bombs" 24 Apr 42 "3 bombs' "Repairs lasted until November 1943

Note Mclaugin has a video on youtube "Designing Warships For Stalin" and has a book in the works "Russian and Soviet Cruisers"

Cruisers
Maxim Gorki 4 Apr 42 near miss
Kirov 4 Apr 42 bomb hit but failed to explode 24 Apr 42 2 direct bomb hits in the stern 78 KIA 46 WIA

Warship 2009 The Soviet light cruisers of the Kirov Class

Maxim Gorki 4 Apr 42 2 close misses 24 Apr 42 no hits but damaging near misses killed 3 and wounded 5. 25 and 27 Apr more near misses damged most of the radios and rangefinders as well as boiler no.3 and one of the turbines.

Kirov 4/5 Apr 42 bomb hit near frame 273 damaging FC equipment, a 100mm gun, and a 45mm gun. 24 Apr 42 hit by 3 bombs and 15cm round near the after funnel, damaging all six 100mm guns, the after funnel and mainmast: 86 dead, 46 wounded

Chronik Des Seekrieg 1939-1945 which is online mentions other ships being damaged during these operations and it mentions German artillery being used to supress Soviet AA fire.

James A Pratt III 16th August 2024 18:25

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
Page 278 has the Soviet gunboat Bira being sunk the ship survived the war see:navy/Su/other/lost/index/htm
from Soviet Empire
or google search Soviet Gunboat Bira for USNHHC pictures

rickback4444 18th August 2024 18:55

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
Hi,

Is there a timeline when the edited Volue 2 will get to Amazon?

Thanks

Rick

Edward 22nd August 2024 08:08

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rickback4444 (Post 339535)
Is there a timeline when the edited Volume 2 will get to Amazon?

You can ask Christer Bergstrom at <vaktelforlag@gmail.com>

James A Pratt III 28th August 2024 19:30

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
I hope I didn't get some people to upset with my errata ect and send me to the Gulag

Andrew is working on a data base of ships sunk or damaged by the Luftwaffe and some of the above data i sent to him for it. I am possibly one of the few people who sent him data on Soviet ships. I also don't want people some years down the road to wonder why the database and BCRS 2 differ.

In BCRS 1 and 2 there is mention of supply problems on youtube ww2tv they have a presentation Railways in German occupied Eastern Europe which tells you what a mess they were in in the USSR.

I have bought BCRS vols 4,5, new 1,2 and old 3 as well as other books by CB and found them fine reading and some impressive research ect I never found anything greatly wrong with them until this one. I will be buying the nem BCRS 3 later this year. In years to come I will be buying BCRS 6 and others when they come out.

edwest2 30th August 2024 17:41

Re: Black Cross Red Star, Vol. 2, now sent to the printer - this is not the old edition!
 
For reference purposes, the Russians named and renamed their ships. See:


https://www.amazon.com/Warships-Sovi...=ATVPDKIKX0DER


https://www.amazon.com/Warships-Sovi...Jan+Radziemski


https://www.amazon.com/Warships-Sovi...aufs_ap_sc_dsk


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