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Csaba B. Stenge

2nd February 2007 10:15

Re: Ace vs. Ace

My Hungarian aces book contains some Ace vs Ace engagements as well (US- Hungarian and Soviet-Hungarian stories too)

NBE1942

2nd February 2007 11:28

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Braatz (Post 36658)

Didn' know that, Eugen, though I am Guenther's biographer. His flying log shows 2 missions on that day and two kills:

1. La-5, 10:09 hrs, SE Krimskaya (Gunther's No. 134 overall)
2. Airacobra, 12:09 hrs, E Krimskaya (No. 135)

Kind regards,
Kurt

No 135 is definitely Fadeyev. Since no more of Germans claimed Aircobras that day. See "Graf-Grislawski" book, there is a short notification on this case.

Juha	2nd February 2007 11:35

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Hello Rob
check Otto Schulze at www.luftwaffe.cz pages, lot of ace vs. ace engagements.

Juha

Dénes Bernád

2nd February 2007 15:00

Re: Ace vs. Ace

I also mentioned several ace-to-ace combvat both in my 'Rumanian Air Force. The Prime Decade' (Squadron/Signal) and 'Rumanian Aces of World War 2' (Osprey) books.

One such incident described in details was Lt. Helmut Lipfert shooting down Adj. stag. av. Traian Dârjan, over Slovakia, on 25 Febr. 1945.
During the same incident, Rumania's top scoring ace, Cpt. rez. av. Constantin Cantacuzino, was also shot down, perhaps by another Luftwaffe ace, but he survived.

Evgeny Velichko

2nd February 2007 21:29

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Braatz (Post 36658)

Here is a link to Sukhoy Forum. Try to use any translator to find out all details of that combat mission.

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/showthread.ph...E0%E4%E5%E5%E2

If it is a problem for You, give me a time - I'll translate it to You.

Nokose

2nd February 2007 23:56

Re: Ace vs. Ace

In volume 3 of BCRS it has VVS ace (11 victories and 5 shared) Kapt. Ivan Dmitriyevich Pidtykan as KIA by Walter Nowotny. The www.luftwaffe.cz still has the incorrect VVS ace of Alexandr Avedeev as having shot down Nowotny. Andrey Dikov posted a reply on the correct pilot who shot him down.

Evgeny Velichko

7th February 2007 09:14

Re: Ace vs. Ace

1.06.44, near Yassy, Rudel (Ju87G-1) and two his wingmen (Ju87D-5) were engaged by group of La-5.

1 Ju87D-5 was shot down, next - second Ju87D-5 (pilot - Fikkel), and Rudel was alone vs. La-5's.

Then one of La-5 attacked Rudel, and after low-alt chasing crasghed the earth.

There are only 1 La-5 loss near Yassy at that day: La-5 from 196 IAP, pilot - leytenant Spirin (mentioned as "shot down by ground fire").

So, no connections with Shestakov.

NBE1942

7th February 2007 10:44

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen Gross (Post 37021)

Spirin was a pilot of 193 IAP. He was lost on May 30, 1944.

Primoz

7th February 2007 13:32

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Here's another one from WW1: Manfred von Richthofen vs. Lanoe Hawker in 1916

Evgeny Velichko

7th February 2007 20:57

Re: Ace vs. Ace

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBE1942 (Post 37027)

Spirin was a pilot of 193 IAP. He was lost on May 30, 1944.

So, another proof of M.Zefirov's mistake in his LW series books:) SRY..

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