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retje 6th November 2020 16:03

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joda87 (Post 297198)

The forum guy Jafü Mittelrhein list Gefr.Hans Budelist as crew member of He 111 3853, instead of Franz Hudelist. Which one is the correct name?

Hi,

Franz Hudelist *24.02.1918 in Markt Griffen/Ostmark, 6./KG 26, +20.05.1941 beim Einsatz auf Kreta notgelandet.

René

Joda87 6th November 2020 16:50

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Many thanks!
So, according to what I could find, Heraklion Sector:

May 20th:

2 He 111 belonged to II./KG 26 were hit:

He 111 H5, 6./KG 26 (3843)
- Oblt.Kurt von Stetten (kia)
- Oblt.Werner Schmidt (Beobachter) (kia)
- Uffz.Heinz Kube (Funker) (ferito)
- Uffz. Johann Miedl (Bordmechaniker) (kia)
- Gefr.Franz Hudelist (Burdschütze) (kia)

He 111 H5, 6./KG 26 (3953)
- Ofw.Wilhelm Tönnesmann (ferito)
- Fw.Mathias Holler (ferito)
- Uffz.Horst Funke (ferito)
- Gefr.Heinz Winkler (ferito)

May 22nd :

1 (unknown aircraft) belonged to III.(Aufkl)/LG 2 was hit:

(unknown aircraft), 7(F)/LG 2
- Olt Erich Ludwig Otto Kissel

Can anybody help me giving confirm of the first 2 aircrafts and fulfilling the lacking info about the 3rd of LG 2? (btw, I suppose if was a Bf 110)

Joda87 6th November 2020 17:00

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
A little update: what about the Ju 52 (6240) shot down over Heraklion on May 20th, 2./KG zbV 101? I have 3 names of the crew: H.Biewendt, Werner Kirmse and Erich Mählig.

Does anyone have more info about?

Stig Jarlevik 6th November 2020 17:54

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joda87 (Post 297206)
1 (unknown aircraft) belonged to III.(Aufkl)/LG 2 was hit:

(unknown aircraft), 7(F)/LG 2
- Olt Erich Ludwig Otto Kissel

Can anybody help me giving confirm of the first 2 aircrafts and fulfilling the lacking info about the 3rd of LG 2? (btw, I suppose if was a Bf 110)

Both your He 111 were on specific Crete missions (not the Suez Canal)

Bf 110 E-3 WNr 2330 L2+PR crashed on a mission to Crete crew Oblt Erich Kiesel and Fw Erwin Adam both KIA

Source: Die Deutsche Luftwaffe in Griechenland by Byron Tesapsides
If your interest is Crete, it is a book you should get. I believe Byron has published a second edition of it (this quote is from the first edition)

B Rgds
Stig

Stig Jarlevik 6th November 2020 18:01

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joda87 (Post 297208)
A little update: what about the Ju 52 (6240) shot down over Heraklion on May 20th, 2./KG zbV 101? I have 3 names of the crew: H.Biewendt, Werner Kirmse and Erich Mählig.

Does anyone have more info about?

Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

Joda87 6th November 2020 18:20

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 297211)
Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

Many thanks! I got the info from Yannis Prekatsounakis, Crete 1941 the battle for Heraklion

retje 6th November 2020 18:35

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 297211)
Unit code was G6+EK.
Crewmembers killed or wounded were:
BO Uffz Willi Schürme (WIA)
BF Uffz Werner Kirmse (KIA)
BM Fw Erich Mählig (KIA)

Source: same as before, but Byron does not mention any H. Biewendt.
Your own source please

B Rgds
Stig

Hi,

Biewendt, Helmut, *01.12.1918 in Eilenstedt, 2./KG zbV 101, +21.05.1941 in Iraklion, Friedhof anlage Iraklion Grab 455.
(Source: BArch-PA-Berlin)

René

Joda87 6th November 2020 18:37

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 297210)
Both your He 111 were on specific Crete missions (not the Suez Canal)

Stig

A last question about them:
He 111 h5, 5./KG 26 (wrk.nr.3953), Ofw.Wilhelm Tönnesmann, Fw.Mathias Holler, Uffz.Horst Funke, Gefr.Heinz Winkler
What is correct, 5./KG 26 or 6./KG 26? I found both in my researches

Stig Jarlevik 6th November 2020 19:17

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Joda

Sources differ.
Byron has preferred the "old" interpretation and says 6./KG 26 while Steenbeck gives a "new" interpretation and says 5./KG 26

I don't know what findings have resulted in such a way to make Steenbeck change the previous held view.

It would also be interesting to know why Biewendt was connected with WNr 6240. Was he badly wounded on the 20th and died the day after (21st) or was he killed on the ground?

B Rgds
Stig

Joda87 6th November 2020 19:24

Re: Luftwaffe losses during Crete campaign 5.1941
 
Sorry, may be you think I'm very ignorant, but I'm getting great knowledge thanks to this thread ;)
many thanks.

How is it possible to understand the codes you all use here? Like G6+EK

Sidney in post #7 kindly explained me, thanks, but where I can find the first LW unit corresponding two digits (1H or G6) or the 4th digit (like K in EK)?


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