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John P Cooper

13th June 2007 08:54

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

Nice photo! Now as Jerry has stated it is a bit small but it looks like it has a factory fresh paint job and is that a Black & White B3 cross on the under wing?

Regards,

John

BTW Jerry hows the book progressing..? :)

Eric Larger

13th June 2007 15:12

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

Dear all

the photo is a little bit small to trace any interesting detail .

Of course the unsersides crosses are black and white , so it will limit the range of manufacturers , to only Focke Wulf or repaired aircrafts. The exhaust area seems to be black too, that could confirm the first option.

The machine in the background ia another FW 190D , but which type , it is very difficult to say .

The fence and the trees are very close to the ones observed on another photo , depicting a JG2 aircraft , but again it is just a guess on a very small photo.

The unpainted spinner would suggest a non operational or a newly delivered aircraft or one of the test aircrafts. In that cas it will not be impossible to have ion the same airfield FW 190D-9 and FW 190D-13/12 page 86 Fw 190d Camoulfage and Markings part 1 , there are several prototypes at Adelheide .

Here is what could be said about this picture

Eric

David Brown

13th June 2007 15:43

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dora9forever (Post 44678)

yes, i might, pity there isnt one in uk,,can you sit in this plane or is it a walk around,,well ive won 50 pounds on lotto this year so" my lucky streak might come soon, big time, and ill buy a D9 AND EVERYONE CAN TOUCH FEEL AND EVEN SIT AND HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN IN IT,,WELL THATS ME,
AS OIL PAINTING GO,STUFF THEM,ID RATHER HAVE MY D9,THANKS FOR INFO, THATS SOMETHING TO MY BRAIN CELLS,MORE
gary

With special permission, the Museum of Flight will allow you inside the roped off area of the FW 190D-13 to take pictures. When you are inside this area, you'll be supervised. Touching, sniffing and/or drooling near or on the aircraft is not allowed.
Actually, the museum staff were very pleasant and allowed me to spend as much time as I required. I was fortunate enough to get some great photos which in combination with J. Crandall's "Yellow 10" resulted in a good reference towards my 1/24th scale model of this aircraft. Good luck with the lottery.

Adriano Baumgartner

13th June 2007 17:36

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

I told you! Only Mr Crandall to discern so small differences on a so small and distant picture!
Mr Crandall, thanks for your clarifying answers...
To suppose that those machines belong to JG 2 only because of the fences on the edge of the airfield is a huge guess. A great part of Luftwaffe airfields were scattered alongside farms by the end of 1944. But, your guess that it is perhaps a NON operational machine is great! Perhaps JG 6? Who knows? The good answer is that Mr Crandall informed us that this is probably not a D-13!
Cheers for all ( PS: I do not know Eric Larger, although I saw some of his threads over here! ).
May you have all a nice week!
Adriano
PS: Italian friend, what are your main interests in the Luftwaffe history?

F19Gladiator

13th June 2007 18:09

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

The nearest Dora seems to stand on a "Kompensierwaage", perhaps indicating a new or repaired aircraft passing through checks before going operational?

RolandF

13th June 2007 22:01

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

The (heavily Sütterlin-influenced) handwriting on the backside of the photo can be read as "190 D-10(?) auf der Kompensierscheibe" as well as "190 D-13..."

Roland

dora9forever

15th June 2007 03:31

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

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Originally Posted by Jerry Crandall (Post 44675)

Hi Guys;
Thanks Roger for posting this very intriguing photo. The problem is of course, the image is so small, it is difficult to be 100% sure. However, this a/c in the foreground is a D-9 not a D-13. It is equipped with the standard D-9 VS 111 propeller and not the wider VS 9 mounted on a D-13. Another clue is, it appears the ground crew are loading 20 mm ammunition into the boxes under the wing, note the long rectangular doors are hanging open. The crew man standing on the wing appears to have the gun cowl open and is attending to the two 13 mm machine guns on the D-9. since the D-13 has no guns in that position, this all points to this a/c being a D-9.
The Dora in the background is very hard to see, but possibly has the wider VS 9 propellers...but that is only a guess.
I am curious as to what kind of machine from which this photo was taken.
Roger - do you know who purchased this photo?
Thanks again, cheers,
Jerry

hi,jerry, i thought you would know the dora man.nice books ive read.
gary

Roger Gaemperle

15th June 2007 08:12

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

Hello Jerry et al,

The photo was bought by sudek. The auction number was: 170114421358
That's a lot of interesting information you could find out from such a small photo. Perhaps on the original more is visible with a high res scan, but that's all I got from the ebay page.

Best regards
Roger

Andreas Brekken

15th June 2007 08:31

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

Hi, guys

Doesn't the fact that the aircraft is on a Kompansierscheibe point towards this being more than a local farm, but rather an established airfield with a farm on the perimeter (a setup which I would guess you would get all over....)

Regards,
Andreas B

dora9forever

15th June 2007 10:01

Re: Fw 190 D-13?

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Originally Posted by David Brown (Post 44694)

with luck, i hope but if i do win the lotto you can come over and do this plane up and ill ,let you fly it if you can start it,ive never seen one flying,
wish i could be the first,gary

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