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Alexander 27th June 2007 20:35

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hi Peter,

100% certitude that Heinz Lange was buried in Brustem! His first burial place was the airfield of Brustem. I've have a doubt if he was then transfered to Schuurhoven cemetery, Saint-Trond but one thing is also 100 % sure...he was afterwards buried at the Ehrenfriedhof of Brustem!!
Are you 100% sure that the second crewmember of Richard Hahn wasn't KIA that day?

Alexander

Luc Vervoort 27th June 2007 21:33

Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hi !

For the following pilots/crewmembers I have the original burial location :
Lange H. : Brustem
Hahn R. : Eben Emael
Werk H. : Eben Emael
Chuchra : Leuven (=Louvain)

I was told that based on the nr of the block and the gravenr at the German War Cemetery at Lommel it is possible to trace back the original burial location . Is this correct = ?

best regards

Luc

Alexander 28th June 2007 06:07

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hello,

Luc, I was told the same. I can't say it excately for the other cemeteries but the soldiers who were buried on Ehrenfriedhof Brustem are now buried in Lommel cemetery, block 21.

The fact that Hahn R. and Werk H. were first buried in Eben-Emael can/mean(s) they were from the same crew.

Thanks,


Alexander

Peter Cornwell 28th June 2007 15:54

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Alexander & Luc,

When the Germans concentrated their war dead to cemeteries like Cannock Chase and, it seems also Lommel, they tended to bring them together en-bloc from smaller local cemeteries which makes sense. So it is possible to get an idea of the previous burial site from their present block/grave number though, in my experience, not an exact science but worth the effort as useful clues can often result. There is also no guarantee that the previous burial place was their original burial site, some being moved more than once.

It is striking how far apart these burials were but it would be most useful to know where Obergefr FISCHER was originally buried – anyone? Also, I confess that I had assumed that the crash reported at Attenhoven was down near Landen, but the burial of CHUCHRA at Leuven suggests that it was just north of there.

From Luc’s posting, my contention that WERK & CHUCHRA were a crew is plainly wrong – even accepting bale outs or badly wounded taken elsewhere for treatment, they were buried too far apart from one another. From the burial evidence I agree with Alexander that WERK & HAHN appear to make a much better pairing. Many thanks for the extra information and inputs, it is much appreciated.

Flupke 28th June 2007 22:01

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hi to all
Concerning that day and unit it seems that a Ju-87 B from the 2./St.G 2 T6+AK was shot down near Koninksem with Oblt Kädtler Arno (KIA) as pilot or gunner , I have no information on the second crewman
Regards
Phil

Peter Cornwell 29th June 2007 10:09

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hello Phil,

He was with the Stab StG2 and their losses that day were as follows:

Stab StG2 Dornier Do17M. Believed shot down after low-level chase by S/L Dewar and F/O Mitchell of No. 87 Squadron during reconnaissance sortie over Tirlemont and belly-landed near St Trond 3.30 p.m. Fw H. Schindler and Uffz G. Muschner killed. Oberlt H. Metz (Staffelkapitän) captured unhurt. Aircraft a write-off.

Stab StG2 Junkers Ju87B. Shot down by Hurricanes of No. 87 Squadron between Tirlemont and Leuven 3.30 p.m. Oberlt A. Kädtler and Uffz H. Grüneklee killed. Aircraft a write-off.

Please, what is your source for those code letters ? Could be significant. Thanks.

Flupke 29th June 2007 11:27

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Many thanks Peter

I have the name Grünklee Heinz (KIA) as Funker +11/5/40 Lommel Block 19 Grab 533 but I was unable to fit his name with a pilot , the code letter if I remember well was found in the “Taglish verlust meldung” but unfortunately I am not sure at all .
Once again thanks for your accurate answer

Best regards
Phil

Alexander 29th June 2007 12:56

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hello,

Grünklee Heinz (KIA) +11/5/40 buried in Lommel Block 19.....same block as Richard Hahn and Werk Heinz!! First burial place of those men...Eben Emaal! Possible??

Regards,

Alexander

Flupke 2nd July 2007 12:11

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hello Alexander
I have Koninksem 2KM SSW of Tongeren for the crash place
Best regards
Phil

pointedeflèche 2nd July 2007 21:56

Re: Ju 87 of Richard Hann I/StG2 KIA on May 11 1940
 
Hello,

According to the "Lijst der in Leuven begraven Duitse soldaten" (= "List of German soldiers buried at Leuven") the following two airmen of Stukageschwader Immelman were buried at Leuven (Louvain).

The two airmen are listed as #54 and #55:
54. HEINRICH BASLER./ 1.Stukageschw. Immelman.2/ 12-5-40
55. ERNST CHUCRA. / Stuka Immelman/ 11-5-40

Although BASLER died May 12th 1940 and CHUCRA May 11th 1940, I have often wondered if both men crewed together on May 11th, 1940.

Regards,
Dirk


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