Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Paul

Correct - P7102.

As an incidental point, since we're discussing 'claims', in his combat report Eddie Musgrave did not claim to have inflicted any damage whatsoever on the 190 with which he had a brief encounter on 28 Jan 43.

HTH

Niall

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Was P6989 "J" as Johny realy ? There is a picture of P6985/HE-J but if P6989 was not w/o it is strange to have two Js in one week of operations.

Michal

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

hi
Strange but true, (as somethings are in wartime).

http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/h263.html

I will try to sort other references tomorrow.

Cheers
Jerry

Slightly O/T

I was once told by a spitfire mechanic...

' the wing commander always flew an aircraft with his initials on it, sometimes it was his a/c, sometimes it was another we quickly repainted over night, once we had two spitfires in the hangar with the same initials & serial. You never told the wing commander his spitfire was U/S ....

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi All,
The extra info

06.08.41 Sgt Rudland P7002 (HE-L) - Bf.109
Uffz Helmut Rainer (KIA) also of E/JG 2 in a Bf 109 E-7, Wn 3809 was shot down taking off from Theville

S/Ldr Donaldson P7001 - Bf.109 (Dam)

P/O Brackley P6983 (HE-H) - Bf.109
Sgt Rudland P7002 (HE-L) - Bf.109 (his 2nd 109 of the day witnessed by S/L of 118Sq )

Erg.Gr/JG2 Bf109E-4 w.nr 1460 shot down by fighter fire Theville aerodrome, the pilot Fw Bach baled out.
Erg.Gr/JG2 Bf109E-7 w.nr 3802 shot down by fighter fire Theville aerodrome
your guesss is good as mine whose was whose.


04.09.41 P/O Stein P6990 - Bf.109 (Dam)
Gefr. Günter Irmler Erg.Gr./JG 2 Bf 109 E-7 Wnr 6517 white 15 Convoy escort, crashed into the sea 15 km N. La Hague Cape


07.11.41 Sgt King P7112 - Bf.109
Bf 109E-7 WNr. 5984 1./JG 2 7/11/41 Pilot parachuted, OK.



14.12.42 F/Lt Coyne P7057 & Sgt Cotton P7052 - Fw.190 (Dam)

16.05.43 P/O Lee-White P7059 - Fw.190 (Dam)
F/Lt Coyne P7110 (HE-E) - Fw190 (Dam)

as always
any additions/ corrections welcomed...
cheers
Jerry

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Hi
True but it was worth a mention.
cheers
Jerry

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Hi Jerry,

Does the book „Die Jagdfliegerverbaende…“ Teil 5 the source ?

Quote:

06.08.41 Sgt Rudland P7002 (HE-L) - Bf.109

I have Uffz Helmut Rainer in 3802, second destroyed is 1460, no mention about 3809.

Quote:

04.09.41 P/O Stein P6990 - Bf.109 (Dam)

Fw. Phillipp claimed Whirlwind in that area so minimum doubts they met the 263 Sqn.

Quote:

07.11.41 Sgt King P7112 - Bf.109

There is interesting that 9./JG 2 stationed in St. pol, far from the fight area, claimed two Whirlwinds over Cotentin / Cherbourg area.

Michal

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Hi

Does the book „Die Jagdfliegerverbaende…“ Teil 5 the source ?

Sorry I haven't seen the book, so I don't know.


'I have Uffz Helmut Rainer in 3802, second destroyed is 1460,
no mention about 3809'.

info on 3809 came from a well know luftwaffe researcher, I suppose it might be a typo ?
if so anyone know the fate of 3809 ?

Other info and comments are interesting to.

Cheers
Jerry

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi guys

Can someone confirm (or otherwise) that P/O Ferdinand of 263 Squadron who shared a Ju88 on 8/4/41 was a coloured West Indian? Also, additional information required on this pilot including names, please.

I seem to recall having seen a group photo of 263 that included a coloured pilot.

Cheers
Brian

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi Brian,

No, P/O Ferdinand was born in West Ham and was white. See link

http://www.ferdinando.org.uk/roy_fre..._ferdinand.htm

There were at least 2 Indian pilots with 263 Squadron, they were:

P/O Dattatreya Samant 108957
P/O Sayana Puram Duraiswamy Thyagarajan 177663

The following site has info on the two pilots.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Hi...PilotsRAF.html


Hope this helps,

Alex

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi Alex

Thanks for that. I should have checked before posting my question, but have only just returned from holiday and brain not yet in gear!

Cheers
Brian

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I think Ferdinard died in P7045 not P7050!

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Hi
I have P7045 also.

(unless someone knows different.....)

Cheers
Jerry

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Hi all,

I have finished creation of a list of all (?) Whirlwind´s victories. See attached file.
There is open question regarding several possible opponents which were claimed. I welcome if you check the list and advice your additions/comments.
Further step for making a part of the article will be LW claims & Whirlwind losses.

Regards,
Michal

Legend:
Sestřel = Destroyed
Pravděpodobný sestřel = Probably destroyed
Poškození = Damaged
... na zemi = on the groung

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Which LW unit suffered these losses ?

Michal

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Hi
Do217 & DO17 from II/KG2
Ju-88's from KuFlGr 606


don't forget to post

how/where to buy this article when it is published...

Cheers
Jerry

Re: Whirlwinds Squadron
 

Hi

I'm new to this site and saw posts about 263 Squadron. I hope one you can help me with my research. My father was a pilot with 16 Squadron and he mentions a Whirlwind Squadron in his log book. I am trying to trace the event.
In his log book on 30th April 1943 he writes... Rhubarb W/C Davenport No 1 Guernsey -Dol -Rennes. ...Attacked two barges hits scored. more flak from escort. Landed Isbley to report to Whirlwind Squadron Their C/O sank ship. failed to return.

I think the date is wrong as he had log book stolen and he had to rewrite it later.I think it should be the 29th April 43 as I understand a ship was hit on this day, and an aircraft was damaged but can't find out any further details. I know the C/O was not killed but I suspect that he must have return later than expected after my father flew off. I wonder if any of you can shed light on this and let me know the name of the C/O and what ship was sunk.

Many thanks

Sally-Anne.

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Sally-Anne

The 16 Sqn diary seems to suggest that this operation was on 30 April 1943.

On 30/4/43 the diary records that W/Cdr J R Davenport and F/Off D A Greville-Heygate flew a Rhubarb along the railway from Dol - Rennes - Lamballe. Two locomotives were damaged, one motor barge was damaged off Jersey. Light flak from position 2/3 miles West of Dol. Machine gun fire from largest ship of vessels attacked.

There is no mention that 16 Sqn was operating with 263 Sqn but that does not mean that it did not happen.

Perhaps someone else can help with the 263 Sqn part of the story

Steve

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Hi
30 Apr 43 263sq flew four whirlwinds from predannack escorted by the portreath wing, on shipping attack,nr Ushant, no ships sighted, A/c returned to predannack.
Cheers
Jerry

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Thanks for info.
Strange, Predannack is miles from Ibsley so I don't see how this this entry could mean 263 Squadron. I wonder if it was 137 squadron instead.

Thanks again

Sally-Anne

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi
137SQ squadron diary records no flying on this date, due to a low cloud base.
maybe it was a different date ?
cheers
Jerry

Re: Whirlwinds victories
 

Hi Bruce

Musgrave did not make a claim re this Fw190 - I have a copy of his combat report. However, according to the JG26 diaries he did shoot it down it.

Paul