Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

No it will be february-march next year, that I will be in Freiburg again.
Junker

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

All

Since this topic has started again, may I point out that the Wikipedia article about Peter Horn is also gone.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

I can still see a very brief article on Wiki, but any reference to his Luftwaffe involvement has been removed. I had saved the original some time ago as a .mht file if anyone really wants it.
A very sad state of affairs.
Peter

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Is somebody trying to erase history ?

M

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See post 11-13 :-)

Mikkel

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Hello Mr. Plannthin,

hope you're doing fine.
Can you confirm that Peter Horn most likely scored his 11 kills from January until July 1942 in I./JG51 ?

Have a good weekend,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Michael
I do not have access to other sources than the ones already mentioned. The family despute that these sources are correct, or at least that the person mentioned in these sources is their relative. I have respected this insofar that Horn is not mentioned on my website anymore. In the original article I was meticulous in mentioning the sources of my information.

Until someone access the personnel file in Freiburg to gather more information(and I am awaiting Junker to do so), I have chosen to accept that all my sources were of a secondary nature, and therefore not of a "higher value" than information provided by relatives.

I have never had anything to do with the Wikipedia entry, even if my site is used as a source. Therefore, I have not been invovled in the revision thereof.

Mikkel

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Good evening,

Denmark should acknowledge its highest-scoring fighter pilot even if he didn't fly for the Allies. It's not a question of ethics but of historical accuracy.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Michael
Just to set things straight. We are a number of Danes interested in aviation history who would like to tell the story of all pilots no matter who they fought for. As it happens my interest is mainly volunteers (pilots as well other trades) in the Allied air forces, but my website is dedicated to WW2 aviators fighting in all air forces.

I have been told in no uncertain terms by a family that they do not like their relative to be mentioned on my website. This I have respected for various reasons some of which I mentioned. It would, in my view, be unethical (and btw perhaps unlawful) if I had not deleted the profile on my website.

I for one would like to tell the story of anybody who fought in WW2 among other reasons to promote historical accuracy. That is why, I shall not mention him on my website before I am certain that have the facts one hundred per cent right. And in my view this is not the case on the basis of a number of secondary sources, which - at least I myself - have not linked to the person in question.

It you are insinuating that I have other reasons for not mentioning a specific person on my website, you are are wrong.

Mikkel

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

My appeal was not addressed to you but rather to the relatives of Mr Horn.
You're decision to respect the wish of the family was right but the family should not strive to conceal history.
M

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Michael, I would think it would depend on the repercussions - being persecuted for the actions of a family member would be a horrible thing to deal with. I don't think we are in a position to judge.
Peter

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Do you think this is still an issue nowadays ?

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

A strange question for a German to need to ask.....

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

I have visited Denmark several times and I don't think that there is a threat of repercussions or persecutions for something that an ancestor has done.

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

I don't know, but the family seems to think so.

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Luckily, the internet doesn't forget.

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

I can confirm that no service record of a Peter Horn is present in BAMA. Also in a list prepared by the danish foreign ministry from 1943, showing all danish officers, who joined german forces, he is not mentioned. I will now try to find out, why he did not serve in the after war Danish airforce.

Junker

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On the other hand, the association Danske Flyvere/Danish Aviators, excludes him from membership june 1945, because he has shown unnational behavior during the occupation. The same applied to the other danes, that served in the Luftwaffe and WSS.
Junker

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He became a member of the Danish nazi-party in 1935.
Junker

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Good evening Junker,

thanks for checking and sharing the results.
Do you think someone tries to erase the traces of him from history ?

Have some good final 2018 days,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Did Peter Horn score more kills in the Bf 109 or in the Fw 190 ?

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

The dane Peter Horn did not join the Luftwaffe. He did not even apply. 9 danes applied and 6 were accepted. Sommer, Terp, Ravnskov, Harild, Fabian and Thorup. Rejected Sörensen, Aggersböl and Svensson.
Junker

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Hello ju55dk,

so you would say the person of JG51 pilot Peter Horn did not exist ?

Have a nice evening,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

If a Peter Horn existed in JG 51 he is not a dane. Also there is no personalunterlagen of him in Freiburg.
Junker

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Hello Junker,

the name Peter Horn doesn't sound very much Danish either.
There is a quite numerous German minority living in Denmark and vice versa.
Maybe someone mislabeled him as Danish.
But there also a possibility that he or his family endeavoured to annihilate documents of his WW2 service.

Have a good Friday,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Hi Jörn

That was quite a bit of new information.

May I ask who this individual is, listed under Danish WW 2 aces here
https://acesofww2.com/denmark/
This photo has also appeared in a book called Am Himmel Europas by Hans Werner Neulen.
That photo is credited to the Royal Danish AF and comes via Jörn Junker....
Since I think he carries Danish wings I can only assume he has been wrongly identified all these years, but who was he??

Cheers
Stig

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Hans Ring made an assumption decades ago that a dane Peter Horn belonged to JG 51. In the RDAF archives military pilot Lt. Peter Horn is named as one of them who got kicked out from danish military service in the summer 1945. Based on this I did conclude, that Peter served in the LW, and provided a photo of him to Neulen. So the picture shows Horn in a danish uniform. As allready mentioned he did not apply for service in the Luftwaffe and Waffen-XX. The reason for his danish military service to be ended was, that he was a member of the danish nazi party. He did not recive a sentence as most of them who joined XX, LW and other formations set up by the Germans. Some month ago I did recive a list from LW Personalamt, with the names of the danes who applied for LW service, wich finally discluded Peter Horn, confirming what his family has said for some years now. Another document confirmiong this is a list in danish rigsarkiv, showing the names of all danish officers who applied/joined for service in german armed forces.
Junker

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Thanks Jörn

So he was a pre-war pilot, joined the Danish Nazi Party and was a member of such an organization during the war, but obviously did not leave Denmark, since, I take it, had he done that, there would have been some kind of trial in 1945.

Very interesting details Jörn.
Thanks for a quite detailed story.
Now all you need to do is to convince all the 'net sites carrying false information!....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Good afternoon Gentlemen,

have you already spotted this website ?
https://peoplepill.com/people/peter-horn-2

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Michael

Please read Jörn's detailed answer under post 67.
The site you list is another one carrying faulty details....

B Rgds
Stig

Re: Danish Pilot Peter Horn - aircraft info wanted
 

Good evening Stig,

the page came to my attention because it provides more info than the other pages that mention Peter Horn. For example the years of his birth and death. It's like a very short biography.

I wish you a good New Year's Eve and a happy new year 2022,

Michael