Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


I had indeed already looked and indeed the location of both photographs is the same place. No surprise there.You would expect both machines to be constructed at the same location and lined up for a photo session upon completion.



You reference the latest french expertise, so clearly you've read something post Soltan and Davilla that I haven't - would you care to reveal the work in question please.


The airframe we're looking at looks identical to that of the Type S MS.625, but the engines are different. Are they 300 hp Panhard?. I don't know. If indeed Panhard 300 hp were used on the Type X (and the tailplane is very suggestive that we are looking at a Type X)? Does anything else that used that engine spring to mind.?


Edit

Actually as far as the aircraft in the photo is concerned, the 300 hp Panahard must be a red herring . The aircraft in the photo is clearly powered by two seperate engines. Rather than one located in the fuselage. I don't know what type they are though. But clearly different from those used on the Type S .



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Clint

I pass the engine test.... :)
The photos I have seen of the Type S, it seems to have the same engines as this one.

The book I refer to is Henri Lacaze and his Morane book published by Lela Presse

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


I suppose I could be looking at the same engine and thinking I'm seeing two different engines. The radiators on MS.625 appear completely vertical whereas on the machine I've posted the radiators look diagonal. But I'm thinking that this might be due to the location of the photographer.


What is certain is that this machine does resemble the Type S and doesn't resemble the line drawing of the Type X in Lacaze (which I have read!) at all. Two uses of the designation type X,one built and the other remaining on paper? Not the only reuse of a type designation by Morane Saulnier. But if it is as Type X as indicated by the photo one is left wondering how it differs from a Type S.


Regards,


Clint



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of Morane Saulnier Machines as follows:


Morane Saulnier Type L MS.39


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AVIATION-PHO...oAAOSwKepf7zXa


Morane Saulnier Type N MS.750


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133132874682


Has anyone any further information on the unit operating either of the machines?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of Morane Type L flown by Bernis and Jacottet of MS.12 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...179355111.html


Behind their machine is Albatros B.I B.233/13 of FFA 5 which they had brought down. Does anyone known the serial of the Morane Saulnier Type L shown. Is it perhaps MS.37 which flew with that unit?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


'It's an MS.230, Jim, but not as we know it' Currently on delcampe is a photo of Morane Saulnier Type L serial MS.230 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...439421269.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of a Morane Sualnier Type L at Rayak:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...211103844.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a series of photos showing Morane Saulnier Type BB serial 5137 of 3 Squadron brought down by Max Immelmann at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/144172047048...0AAOSw0ulhJ1D4


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Morane Saulnier Type N of 3 Squadron RFC at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/393668394073...4AAOSwQ0JhgQqr


A further,probably better known, view of this machine post crash can be seen at:


https://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/...1/MEV-11955145


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a Russian operated Morane Saulnier Type L at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29463554747...sAAOSwPflhuQcY


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Morane Saulnier Type N at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/234387245510...8AAOSwh2Fh6vm6


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


From the same seller a Morane Saulnier Type G MS.12 at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234388135...EAAOSwNuhh69Kg


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the first (?) Morane Saulnier Type G, MS.6 at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294799572...UAAOSw5ixh~Fwv


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe are two photos of a Morane Saulnier Type N flown by Jean Casale of N 23. Has anyone the number of this machine?


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...986017776.html


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...986017239.html







Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Clint

To me the aircraft looks much more like a Morane-Saulnier Type AC.
From where do you get the unit as Esc N.23?

Nothing on Casale I'm afraid

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


You're correct. It is a Type AC. Not to self,don't rush posts just because dinner is almost ready:o


As for the escadrille being N 23, the date on the back of the first photo May 1917 covers the period which this site has him with N 23.


https://www.as14-18.net/Casale


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Aha

Thanks Clint (Hope the dinner was worth it.... :D )

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Morane Saulnier Type N A178 of 24 Squadron leading a flight line of DH.2 at


https://www.ebay.de/itm/176425778237...IAAOSwDxFmbV1-


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the badly bent Morane Saulnier Type P A197 of 3 Squafron RFC from the estate of a member of FFA 22.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/355836804050...kAAOSwBHpmhB1a



Other photos from the same source both of aircraft and ground scenes can be found here


https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_dkr=...btl.22&_sop=10



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Nice Clint!

What do you make of the rather well demolished one with something like B122 visible on
its remaining fin?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hi Stig,


Well B.122 could credibly be eithe r/14 or /15. Even /13 can't be definitively rejected,though it looks like B.122/13 more likely an Aviatik. You'll already have identified it as a Albatros B.I or B.II, but I'd really like a less crumpled wing before opting for either. I don't think the placing of the serial near the top of the rudder is going to help much in identifying the year,but shall have a look at other Albatros images and see if it helps. Not confident though for various reasons. I Hope the seller has more FFA 22 images to come,perhaps with a better view of this Albatros.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Thanks Clint for the links (this one and elsewhere.....)

#59 second link :

The Generalstab oF FFA 22 is the "préfecture" de Charleville-Mézières (Ardennes)

https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...047925684.html

Bertrand

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Tricky Clint, I agree

I have tipped off Kees to see if he can come up with something.

Nice shack BTW Bertrand... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a lot of 4 photos,three rather indifferent,but a nice photo of RFC Morane Saulnier Type BB 5104


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/375552891351...Bk9SR_Ksob6cZA



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of Morane Saulnier AI No.1517


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...127119202.html



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Morane Saulnier Type L named Le Pilou Pilou


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405455223806...MAAOSwkv1nd-pX



At least the unit is easier to identify than the LVG,though a serial would have been nice too :)


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Morane Saulnier
 

Clint

If you haven't already noticed, use the negative and make into positive. Works also for all his others

Cheers
Stig