Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an Italian Spad S.XIII S.29** at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Foto-aeronau...EAAOSwEW9f-zLs


Strangely it has the number No.200 at the base of the rudder which wouldn't appear to be from the normal Italian serial range.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Clint. Looks like the engine HP (H/S).
Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Nick,


Thanks, that makes sense. I should have thought of that with '200' even though I couldn't read the Hp. One more mistake to avoid in future!


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of two Spad S.XIII of SPA.48 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/avion-bipla...8AAOSwqrlgDSF9


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Clint. Look like S.VIIs; but no "half-moon" round the insignia. They seem to have had SPADs and N.XVIIs at the same time .
Regards
Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Nick,


Very possibly you are correct. I find it quite different to differentiate between the two types. Anyway since posting the above I've come across another photo of, lets call it a Spad, this time of SPA 37 at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AVION-SPAD-V...IAAOSwxe5gDI4x





Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Clint.




Read SPA 150 not 37.

Bertrand

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Bertrand,


Thanks.Wrong Bird. I think I need to take a break from Spads.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Clint. Main difference is the rounded rudder on the XIII.


Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Nick,


Indeed, and straight cabane struts on the S.VII. I look forward with trepidation to posting my next Spad S.VII/S.XIII.Hopefully with a correct id.



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Spad S.VII S.1204 of SPA.81 at :


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Unpublished...8AAOSwwjRgEbnT


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the much photographed Spad S.VII S.1200 of SPA 112 in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-AK-1-WK...YAAOSwXZtgK~Ys


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe are two photos of a Spad XI of one of the iterations of Escadrille 42 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...203555880.html


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...203556276.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe is a photo of a Spad S.XI of SPAbi 2 at :


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...329368425.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay among a collection of photos of ground crew is a photo of Spad S.XIII S.4767 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29447189277...wAAOSwbD1hbMOO




Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Spad S.XI of SPAbi 2 S.65*9 at:


https://www.delcampe.net/fr/collecti...380521309.html


Can anyone read the third numeral of the serial at all?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Possibly 6379 with unit in 1918 ?? We've said before about French "3" and "5" !

Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Nick,


Very much taking on board your comments about the problem with numerals 3 & 5 I believe you may well be correct with 6379. Having said that I do have some Spad S.XI serials in the 65** range as well as 63**.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe and ebay respectively are photos of the following Spad aircraft:


Spad S.VII S.4280 SPA 57


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...385210329.html



Spad S.XIII S.4341???


https://www.ebay.com/itm/39369719965...YAAOSwDjZhja17


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a photo of a crashed Spad of, I believe, SPA.98 at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/185218835487...EAAOSw2OJhvOym


As far as I'm aware all the usual areas allowing a differention of the type of Spad shown are not visible in this photo.I cant tell whether its a Spad S.VII or Spad S.XIII.Can anyone identify the type of aircraft shown?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Clint

Not much help here I'm afraid, but if you look at the flip side of the photo there is a date listed, 7.6.1917

The text is extremely fuzzy so not even tried to understand what it says.
No idea, of course, who wrote the date, ie if it is contemporary or done by some collector afterwards.

But if the date is correct SPA 98 is wrong since that unit was not created, as N 98, until 1 Jan 1918.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Stig,


Thanks for the response.It looks like its back to the start on this one. I didn't look at the rear of the photo,but as you say the date is too early for SPA.98.Unfortunately,checking traditions-air.fr it is the only unit I've seen with the diagonal fuselage band with a darker coloured central strip.


Hopefully one of the board's french readers can assist both with the unit id and the type of Spad shown.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Yep Clint

I agree, I cannot find any other unit using such bands/stripes.
Tricky one.... :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Stig-Clint this is SPAD VII B1524 23 Sqn. (assigned to Cochran-Patrick ) shot down by Paul Aue ( Jasta 10) 7 June 1917 near Menin. The POW pilot was 2/Lt. F W Illingworth on an offensive patrol. It also had a red-white striped cowling front. 23 had various fuselage markings.



Regards
Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hi Nick,


Thanks. I should have believed the seller when he said Englisches Flugzeug.The markings just 'looked' french.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Thanks Nick

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a Spad S.VII captioned as being flown by Belgian ace Edmond Thieffrey.


https://www.ebay.de/itm/375136348448...EAAOSwQwhlhMIp


There are also two photos of Thieffrey as a captive of FA (A) 227.




https://www.ebay.de/itm/375136350783...4AAOSwuIRlhMSN


https://www.ebay.de/itm/375136350783...4AAOSwuIRlhMSN



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Rather odd to see Thieffry more or less unwounded in these photos

According to Walter Pieters he was treated in three different hospitals after being shot down :confused:

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are a series of photos of Spad S.XVI of SPAbi 53


https://www.ebay.com/itm/28575624688...Bk9SR5732PfEYw


The photos of the machine standing on its nose have been seen before and are stated to be S.9484 by Albin Denis.


http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...adrille053.htm


Perhaps the photos of the aircraft with 'Julot' on its tail are the same machine at a different stage in its career,perhaps a different machine.


Hopefully at least some of these photos have not been previously seen as the seller has other photos of WW.I aircraft which are somewhat familiar


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...+photo&_sop=10


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the crashed Spad of Alan Nutt of the 94th Aero Squadron.Hopefully this is not already well known.Was this S.4505?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166700455...Bk9SR6rR7cjZYw


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

It was S4505 and Nutt was shot down by Buchner Jasta 13 one of his 4 claims (date was actually the 26th) buried in Meuse-Argonne Cemetery; he was awarded the DSC and there's quite a lot about him on the net.
There were around 70 Allied losses this day, one of the costliest.


Nick

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of a damaged Dpad S.VII of SPA.83



https://www.ebay.de/itm/365048515425...8AAOSweIFmr1Zj


https://www.ebay.de/itm/365048517189...oAAOSwywxmr1bW


The seller has photos of other captured or damaged Entente aircraft at


https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_dkr=...c=1&_nkw=beute



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a negative of Rene Fonck's Spad S.XVII S.682


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405222729195...MAAOSwxixm4TzH



The seller has other negatives of Spads as well as other aircraft including Nieuports and a captured Fokker D.VII



https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...kw=spa&_sop=10



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


The seller of items in the previous post in this thread has added further stereo glass negative images of French Aircraft including Spad S.3585 of SPA 112


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405243934151...Bk9SR8yK05XDZA


The other items including many photos of Spads ,but once again including a captured Fokker D.VII can be found at


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...+verre&_sop=10



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Clint

The SPAD you refer to is S3596
There is a much better stereo negative showing the serial number very clearly

Not sure if they were from this sale or a previous one, ain't gone through them again this time

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Thanks Stig. Damn eyesight. Same plane,same occasion, but from a different angle. I suspect the sellers Fokker D.VII photos are all of the same machine too,though I don't think the serial was visible on any other photo.I believe that all photos with today's date are new. I can't 100 percent swear that the aircraft in question hasn't been seen before,but I've only really taken a interesr in those with serials.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

I guess they are.
I also no longer bother about photos where you can't make a positive ID.
Of course if the photo is somewhat unique I tend to make exceptions....

Chers
Stig

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of a Spad S.VII, with a personal marking and obscure STAe number


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405267158157...kAAOSwUB5nAN~x



The same seller has a number of other photos of which some of the first few are new.


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...ation.&_sop=10



The seller also has some new glass negatives,this one is interesting A Nieuport camouflaged as a German machine by its french operators.


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/405267516951...0AAOSwDNlnAQ8A



The seller also has other glass negatives


https://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_dkr=...oac=1&_nkw=pau



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Currently on delcampe are acouple of nice photos of Spad S.XVI


Spad S.XVI S.9615 of SPABi 20


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...129648358.html


Spad S.XVI Unit unknown


https://www.delcampe.net/en_GB/colle...129648355.html


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Spad
 

Hello,


Following further research I think it is quite probable that the second S.XVI photo in the thread prior to this one is probably a machine of SPABi 60.


Regards,


Clint