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Buckeye30 21st February 2022 15:54

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint. When the 10th Sentai was re-organised in July 1941 it had the 70/74/76 Dokuritsu Chutai all with this marking ( based on the Nen river in NE China)-- in order white/yellow/red; from June 1943 the 70th/74th served as independent Chutai to the EOW. The Hollandia landings were in April 1944 so this Ki.51 is probably 70th Chutai as you say.
A Ki.46 "Dinah" from the 76th was also found in N. Guinea in 1944 with red insignia, also other Ki.51s with white.

Nick

musec04 18th December 2023 23:21

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima Ki-27 and a Kawasaki Ki-32,the latter carrying the markings of 65 Sentai


https://www.ebay.com/itm/39506890512...gAAOSw3fNlflc0


The same seller has a photo of a Mitsbishi Ki-30


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37512541731...EAAOSw3fNlflWe



Regards,


Clint

musec04 22nd January 2024 21:26

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of a Kawasaki Ki-61 in US markings:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15601317921...sAAOSwqtRlqCao


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37519535978...IAAOSw3U9lqCZL


Regards,


Clint

musec04 22nd January 2024 21:52

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
So once again currently on ebay are two photos of a Kawasaki Ki-61 in US markings:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15601317921...sAAOSwqtRlqCao


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37519535978...IAAOSw3U9lqCZL


For more on this aircraft please see


https://captured-wings.fandom.com/wiki/Yontan_Tony



Regards,


Clint


Sorry for the interruption of regular service.


I have bumped this post as despite a polite request on my part that TOCH village idiot Ed West removes a duplicate post,posted after mine he has not done so.


To Nick Beale,this is not the first time this has happened and I see no reason therefore to show any politeness.Please delete Ed West's post titled Japanese Aircraft,perhaps given his low level of intelligence and lack of character,this is not necessarily a surprise.Alternatively,please let me know if you would prefer that I handle this in my own fashion.





Regards,


Clint

musec04 20th February 2024 14:05

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


I've moved this link from my post Chinese Aircraft on this board,as I now,rightly or wrongly believe I've identified the aircraft as a Tachikawa KKY-2 Aikoku 241.



However, if anyone has any information as to the significance of the emblem on the fuselage I'd still be very interested.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26668173404...YAAOSw6tBl0rfW


Here is a photo of Aikoku 241 with different markings to that shown by the llinked photo


https://jmodels.net/de-hombres-y-maq...tachikawa-kky/


Regards,


Clint

Larry deZeng 20th February 2024 17:34

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeye30 (Post 316715)
Clint. When the 10th Sentai was re-organised in July 1941 it had the 70/74/76 Dokuritsu Chutai all with this marking ( based on the Nen river in NE China)-- in order white/yellow/red; from June 1943 the 70th/74th served as independent Chutai to the EOW. The Hollandia landings were in April 1944 so this Ki.51 is probably 70th Chutai as you say.
A Ki.46 "Dinah" from the 76th was also found in N. Guinea in 1944 with red insignia, also other Ki.51s with white.

Nick

A little early history of the parent unit, 10 FMS, and how its components ended up in New Guinea:


10 Independent Flying Unit (10 Dokuritsu Hikōtai - 10 FMS)


Formed 28 July 1941 in Manchuria by temporarily renaming 10 Hikōsentai. Served as a small headquarters to exercise control over 52, 74 and 76 Dokuritsu Hikōchūtai (Independent Flying Squadrons - FCS) that were equipped with Mitsubishi Ki-15 Type 97 Command Reconnaissance Planes (BABS), Tachikawa Ki-36 Type 98 Direct Co-operation Planes (IDA) and Mitsubishi Ki-46 Type 100 Command Reconnaissance Planes (DINAH).

2 Aug 41: Manchuria.
18 Sep 41: HQ 10 FMS with 70 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS transferred from Manchuria to Formosa and reassigned to 1st Flying (Air) Group (1 Hikō Shudan).
7 Dec 41 (8 Dec Tōkyō time): HQ 10 FMS at Heitō (P’ingtung) in SW Formosa directly under 5th Flying (Air) Group (5 Hikō Shudan) with 52 FCS (13 Ki-51s - Maj. Shigeru ŌMORI), 74 FCS (10 Ki-36s - Capt. Sadao HORI) and 76 FCS (9 Ki-15s and 2 Ki-46s - Maj. Katsushige TAKADA). All three of the squadrons were also at Heitō. Responsible for providing reconnaissance support for 14th Army during the invasion of the Philippines.
21 Dec 41: now based in northern Luzon - 10 FMS commander Col. HOSHI personally flew over Manila dropping leaflets demanding the surrender of the city. The next day 10 FMS and its subordinate squadrons supported the main Japanese landings in Lingayen Gulf on the west coast of central Luzon.
7 Jan 42: HQ 10 FMS personnel strength - 7 officers and 16 NCOs and men.
8 Jan 42: HQ 10 FMS based on Luzon with 52 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS, plus 11th Transport Flying Squadron (11 Yusō Hikōchūtai) attached.
3 Apr 42: still on Luzon (probably at Clark Field and/or Nichols Field) with 52 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS, but now under 22d Flying (Air) Brigade (22 Hikōdan - FB).
28 Apr – 22 May 42: 10 FMS with elements of 52, 74 and 76 FCS, 6 fighters from 84th Independent Flying Squadron and one chūtai from 16th Flying Regiment (16 FR), transferred from Luzon to Cebu and Davao to support the taking of Mindanao.
1 Jun 42: HQ 10 FMS in Manila with HQ 22 FB.
14 Jul 42: still in the Philippines under 22 FB with 52, 74 and 76 FCS.
2 Apr 43: 10 FMS ordered to transfer from the Philippines under 22 FB to New Britain and eastern New Guinea for reassignment to 6th Flying Division (6 FD).
13 May 43: 10 FMS ordered to reorganize once again as 10 Hikōsentai.
10 Jun 43: reorganization completed and 10 FMS officially renamed 10 Hikōsentai. The constituent squadrons of 10 Hikōsentai are believed to have been 76 FCS and 1st Chūtai of 81 Hikōsentai.


Commander:
Col. Komatarō HOSHI (Jul 41 - Sep 42)

Sources:
Air World-6/1985.
J-Mono #151.
J-Mono #151.
Star Games-Skies of Red; Shores-Bloody Shambles:v.1/53; Sekigawa:113.
Shores-op cit:192-93.
J-Mono #11.
Shores-op cit.
J-Mono #11.
J-Mono #11.
J-Mono #11.
Sekigawa:129.
IGHQ Army Order #772.
IGHQ Army Order #787.
Air World-op cit.
R.Dunn: j-aircraft dot com website posting 28 May 2002. Confirmation needed.

L. deZ.

musec04 21st February 2024 13:47

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Larry, thank you so much for taking the time and effort to provide this interesting information on 10 Dokuritsu Hikōtai.


Unfortunately this has awakened a temptation on my part to look through the Japanese Monographs referenced by yourself in your sources.


But before I do I have a couple of questions in this regard:


1. I take it that these are the Monographs referred to by yourself


https://pacificwararchive.wordpress....se-monographs/


2. I would like to seek information on non combat units of the JAAF & JNAF,specifically the type of aircraft used and the number of each type assigned to specific second line units.Would I find this in the monographs?


As an example,picking up on my last post in this thread,would it be possible to discover which units operated the KKY-2 in China?



I must stress that I'm not looking for you to answer this question,just whether searching is even likely to be productive.


Regards,


Clint

Larry deZeng 21st February 2024 15:40

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint -

To Question #1: Yes, these are the ones I used. When I used them 20 to 25 years ago, they were on microfilm reels that I obtained from the USN history archives at the Navy Yard in Washington. Here is another series that might be helpful to you:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...ex.html#pageVI

To Question #2: Yes again; but you would have to painstakingly go through all of the Monographs to find what you are looking for. However, there is another source that is organized unit-by-unit in numerical and alphabetical order that would be helpful with the aircraft each unit had:
a) NARA WashDC: RG 457/SRH-259.
b) Naval Historical Center (Washington Navy Yard, WashDC):
Order of Battle of the JNAF. Microfiche F 2076 (7 fiche).
Order of Battle of the JAAF. Microfiche F 2075 (12 fiche).

HTH,

L. deZ.

dp_burke 22nd February 2024 00:00

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
This site has a 'full' set of the Monographs, just hasnt entered the titles!! There are indexes elsewhere though.

http://ddsnext.crl.edu/titles/31862/items

musec04 22nd February 2024 12:46

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Dennis & Larry thank you both for the replies. I hope to commence on the China Theatre Monographs imminently.


Larry, I have a question about the OOBs you mentioned in your last post. I'm going to use a JNAF OOB (O/T I know) to illustrate my question. Hitherto I've largely used used Leo Niehorster's pages for Japanese OOB,so looking at the following OOB for the Suzuka Kokutai (which may anyway be wrong in detail - at least it differs from the OOB in Japonskie Samoloty Marynarki)


http://www.niehorster.org/014_japan/...ka_naf-11.html


My question does the fiche you suggest have more detail for 7/8 Dec 1941,specifically does it actually list by type and number the 144 mixed aircraft,or,as I suspect, the information on the Niehorster site and indeed Japonskie Samoloty Marynarki,actually comes from a JNAF OOB fiche?


Regards,


Clint

Larry deZeng 22nd February 2024 16:34

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint -

That's a tough question because, quite frankly, I don't remember anything I've ever seen that breaks down the 144 mixed aircraft types for 7/8 December 1941. The 19 Naval Historical Center microfiche were compiled by Naval Signals Intelligence on Nebraska Avenue in WashDC. Each entry is from the translation of JN-20 and other decodes, so the details are reliable. Long, complex OBs were not usually sent over the radio using JN-20 and, on top of that, signal intelligence intercepts from the Japanese home islands were not being picked up that early in the war. The only sources I would use for early war details like this would be Japanese language documents and published works, such as Senshi Sōsho, both translated and untranslated. Below is the Table of Contents for NHC microfiche F 2076:

Order of Battle of the JNAF Table of Contents
[Naval Historical Center Microfiche F 2076]


Contents Page

Section I Supreme Command 1
Section II History and Organization of the JNAF 1
A. General 1 - 5
Historical Summary, Japanese Naval Organization (Navy
Ministry, Over-all Naval Command, Striking Forces, Naval
Districts and Naval Guard Districts, Area Fleets, Area
Forces, Bases Forces, Area Defense Force, Area Base
Forces, Outer Combat Force and Inner Combat Force,
Guard Sectors).
B. Organization of the Japanese Navy Air Force 5 - 11
General, Administrative and Supply (Naval Air HQ,
Naval Air Technical Depot, Branch Naval Air
Technical Depot, Yokosuka Air Group, Naval Air Depots,
Branch Naval Air Depots, Branch Workshops,
Replacement Shops, Administration of Air Bases, Supply).
Tactical Units 12 – 16
General, Air Fleets and Base Air Forces, Air Flotillas
and Air Attack Forces, Air Groups, Flying Units, Base
Expeditionary Units or Base Detachments, Misc. Units,
Special Attack Units, Special Tactical Units, Combat
Formations in the Air, Airborne Troop Units.
Training 17 – 18
Combined Air Training Command, Combined Air Groups,
Training Air Groups, Yokosuka Air Group, The Training
Program, Classification of Trainees.
Air Transport 18
Transport Plane Units, Transport Air Group, Other
Transport Units, Transport Aircraft, Civil Airlines.
Weather 19
General, Navy Meteorological Department, Naval
Weather Units, Air Groups, Other Interested Agencies.
Section III Organizations: Japanese Navy Air Force 20
Administrative, Supply and Service 20 – 43
Naval Air HQ, Naval Air Technical Depot, Naval Air
Technical Branch Depot, Air Depots, Air Base Units.
Tactical 43 – 237
Air Fleets and Bases Air Forces (43-49), Air Flotillas
And Air Attack Forces (49-60), Combined Air Training
Command (60), Combined Air Groups (61-66), Named
Air Groups (66-120), Numbered Air Groups (121-191),
Flying Units (Hikotai – 192-235), Special Attack Units
(236-237).
Section IV Japanese Navy Air Officers 238-249
Section V Unit Designations - JNAF 250
Attachment A Naval Air Code Names 250
Attachment B Naval Post Office Code Designations 251

L. deZ.

Larry deZeng 22nd February 2024 19:57

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint -

Here's another Table of Contents for you - in particular, see III.(3)c where there are c. 47 pages on flight training with elaboration on the different types of aircraft employed by the training schools:


Order of Battle
JAPANESE ARMY AIR FORCE
Military Intelligence Division
War Department
Washington 25, D.C.
1 October 1945


[Note: includes ULTRA-derived intelligence and goes to August 1945.]

VOLUMES 1 and 2

Section I Supreme Command 1
1. Imperial General Headquarters 1
2. Councils and Boards 1

Section II History and command Organizations: JAAF 1
1. Historical Summary 1
2. Command and Administration 3
3. Charts 10

Section III Organizations: JAAF 17
1. Administrative 17
a. Inspectorate General of Aviation 17
b. Air Headquarters 17

2. Tactical 17
a. Air General Army 17
b. Air Armies 18
c. Flying Divisions 25
d. Flying Groups 36
e. Flying Brigades 39
f. Flying Regiments 59
g. Independent Flying Units 136
h. Independent Flying Squadrons 141
i. Direct Cooperation Flying Units 158
j. Special Attack (suicide) 160
k. Field Replacement Flying Units 175
l. Air Photographic Units 176
m. Miscellaneous Units 177
n. Raiding 178

3. Training 189
a. History 189
b. Organization 192
c. Units and Schools 196
(1) Flight Training (Divs., Brigades, Units) 196
(2) Ground Training (Brigades and Units) 231
(3) Schools 238

4. Supply and Repair 250
a. Organization 250
b. Units 251
(1) Air Depots 251
(2) Air Supply Depots 257
(3) Field Air Supply Depots 258
(4) Field Air Repair Depots 263
(5) Independent Maintenance Units 272
(6) Mobile Air Repair Sections 276
(7) Air Sub-Depots 277
(8) Shipping Air Depots 278

5. Service 279
a. Airfield 279
(1) Air Sector Commands 279
(2) Airfield Battalions 311
(3) Airfield Companies 342
b. Airfield Construction (Org. and Units) 353
c. Communications (Org. and Units) 360
d. Intelligence (Org. and Units) 374
e. Meteorological (Org. and Units) 379

6. Transport 384
a. Air Transport (Org. and Units) 384
b. Air Route (Org. and Units) 391

Section IV Japanese Army Air Officers (c. 2,325 names) 401

Section V Unit Designations, JAAF 476
1. Code Names 476
2. Home and Depot Designations 477
3. Code Numbers 496

Section VI Glossary and Abbreviations 517

Section VII Types of JAAF Aircraft (by “Ki” No. and by Code Name) 527

Section VIII Tail Markings of JAAF 538

[prepared 01 Feb 2005]

L deZ.

musec04 22nd February 2024 22:33

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello Larry,


Thanks once again for all your assistance. I really hope that you have not had to type in these details in full and thst you've been able to copy and paste.!


However,this has been very useful and I shall be following this up with the IWM as I believe that they have the same information this side of the pond.


https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1500006311


Interestingly, it would appear much information from the Victor Madej edited publications - I take it that we're talking about the same information - seems to have been included here and I shall start reviewing the information therefore before contacting the IWM.



http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/oob/jap_1.htm


It also appears that this information,again,if we're discussing the same information,was available in the 1980s in book form,but I don't intend spending 400 dollars!:) Again something to pursue further I think.



https://www.abebooks.com/book-search.../victor-madej/





Regards,


Clint

musec04 11th March 2024 10:55

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Mitsubishi Ki-2-I


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37530246339...QAAOSwcE1l7SOv


Returning to the theme of an earlier post in this thread, I am still looking for information on which unit or units flew the Ki-2 post Pearl Harbour. Bernard Baeza states that in December 1941 the Ki-2-II equipped certain advanced training units (?) (original french formation avancee) in Manchuria and North China.So my question is which units fit this description in these locations?


Regards,


Clint

musec04 7th April 2024 09:17

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Nakajima Ki-43-I of 11 Sentai


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15615409727...Bk9SR67H1vTWYw


Regards,


Clint

musec04 15th July 2024 08:41

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay isa photo of a Kawasaki Ki-61 in the markings of 19 Sentai


https://www.ebay.com/itm/32619304376...Bk9SR-6_3tGWZA



Regards,


Clint

musec04 18th August 2024 09:43

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
HHello,


Currently on ebay are a number of photos of damaged Japanese aircraft,both Army and Navy machines,but predominantly Army



https://www.ebay.com/itm/36507121520...Bk9SR46W9MWsZA



Regards,


Clint

musec04 26th August 2024 19:06

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of the rear end of a Mitsubishi Ki-21. The unit symbol is unfamiliar. Has anyone seen this marking before and if so is the unit known?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/25661527834...Bk9SR6Dtv_GxZA



Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 29th August 2024 11:36

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Looks like a simplified version of the Utsonomia Communications School, usually in a circle on a coloured band.



Nick
Could be a Ki.54 "Hickory" (?).

musec04 29th August 2024 13:37

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Nick,


I considered a Ki-54 as a possibilty,but I thought that the photo appeared to show the fairing usually containing a machine gun on Ki-21 aft of the tail.


With regard to the unit. You may be correct,frankly I don't know. But what I would like to mention is that Arawasi's book on the Ki-21 has two photos of Ki-21 with that symbol but surrounded by a circle,captioned as belonging to a Headquarters transport unit under the Third Air Division. So possibly different sub-units of the same transport unit, or perhaps another HQ transport unit. Purest speculation on my part obviously.


Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 30th August 2024 17:40

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hi Clint. These are the 2 photos I saw of Ki.54s ( this page and next) with that insignia apparently in a Communications unit; also referenced as such in Barry Kettley's "Emblems of the Rising Sun" as allocated to Utsonomia (and with a red band ). As you say maybe different sections but just guessing.
Nick



http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.c...4-hickory.html

musec04 30th August 2024 18:46

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hi Nick,


Thanks for the link. I shall search for further aircraft from Utsonomiya. A follow up question. Do you know what the symbol shown is called in either English or Japanse ? Just thinking it might help when searching.


I am also inclinded to think that given the seller is Chinese,possibly the aircraft is from a China based unit. Another track to follow in any event.



Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 1st September 2024 19:42

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hi Clint. I think our Japanese friends will be of more use but I'm sure the emblem is a school insignia not a character; it has a flag or pennant for Communications and 2 triangles for incoming-outgoing. Mito and Utsonomia are only about 30 miles apart and both were targets of fire-raids by B-29s on Aug. 2 and 12 July respectively. Both are on Honshu NE of Tokyo.
You might find this link useful in the future, you can draw the character and then identify it. A steady hand is needed which I havn't got. Incidentally the 105th. Training School had a similar emblem but turned 90 degrees.

Nick

https://www.japandict.com/kanjidraw

musec04 1st September 2024 20:22

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Thanks Nick,

I hope the Kanji dictionary proves useful in the future. However, I don't think I expressed my question very well. So this is what I'm looking for. An object with four equal sides is called a square,an object with three sides is called a triangle. What I'd like to know is what the object on the aircraft tail is called. That is all.If it has a name.

Regards,

Clint

Buckeye30 3rd September 2024 08:11

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Sorry Clint, over-complicating as usual. If you mean the 2 triangles, in geometry it's a "complex" or "self-intersecting" quadrilateral (minus the vertical line) colloqually a bow-tie or butterfly.

The 484BG had a red bow-tie as Group ID on their B-24s.


Nick

musec04 9th September 2024 10:11

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of two Kawassaki Army Type 88-I biplanes

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31573177489...Bk9SR8qC1tW6ZA

Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 9th September 2024 18:10

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
In 1926 they were to replace Salmson 2A2s as Kawasaki Type 88-I recconaisance and Type 88-II as light bombers; Kawasaki was originally a shipbuilding company and they were known as KDAs ( Kawasaki Dockyard, Army). In 1929 there were 11 Recon. squadrons with 9 x 88s each, the 2 light bomber squadrons having 9 x Mitsubishi 2MB.I Type 87s each.

"Japanese Military Aviation" Eiichiro Sekigawa.

Nick

musec04 30th September 2024 09:43

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of a Tachikawa Ki-9

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39573878859...Bk9SR-yIk53IZA

Regards,

Clint

musec04 7th October 2024 09:11

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima Ki-4

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31581223263...AZD598X3EXVWGT

Regards,

Clint

musec04 6th November 2024 20:48

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,

Currently on ebay is a photo of a flightline of 70 Senti Nakajima Ki-44

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14616131378...Bk9SR-K-kLDgZA

Regards,

Clint

musec04 16th November 2024 20:47

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Tachikawa Ki-74


https://www.ebay.com/itm/36523334692...D4SPDYXYB9EBSJ



Also Currently on ebay is a photo of a Kawasaki Ki-61


https://www.ebay.com/itm/36523335204...Bk9SR-iAmufmZA


These arerepresentative of a number of photos Japanese aircraft taken by a member of the US 8th Combat Cargo Squadron which can be found here


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...&_nkw=captured



Regards,


Clint

musec04 17th November 2024 08:31

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


From the last link in the previous post in this thread,there is a photo of a Mitsubishi Ki-46


https://www.ebay.com/itm/365233270801


Can someone please assist in supplying the unit of the machine shown. If anything the marking style is more like that of JNAF machines, or perhaps it has been applied post capture? In any event, I've searched and come up empty handed.



Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 19th November 2024 17:51

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint. The Navy did have some Dinahs, not sure if the 201st. Air Group had any but tail code was 01 or 201; some were collected at Yokota (Fussa) with other types for examination and a few were sent to the US on CVEs including "BARNES". The 8th CC Sqn. was stationed at Yokota in Sept. as part of the 2nd. CCG but some of their photos were apparently taken at Clark Field and Peleliu too so maybe incorrect.


Regards
Nick
Hopefully George will see your post.

musec04 20th November 2024 12:35

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hi Nick,


Thanks for the reply. I believe that if we were looking at a 201 Ku machine,the 201 would be before rather than after the hyphen on the tail marking. I'm definitely not saying that that is automatically the case here,because if I was that certain I would not have asked the question. However,the marking does not match any JNAF Dinah operators that I've previously seen. Do you read the numeral/charecter preceding the hyphen as a 3? The reason I ask is that some 203 Ku machines dropped the 0 before the 3 late in the war. Again, I'm not aware of any known use of the Dinah by 203 Ku,but its a possibility.


Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 22nd November 2024 11:54

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hi Clint. I don't think the 203rd had any Dinahs; "j.aircraft" have these NAVY units with some: 151 / 171 / 202Ku. The link is Rene Francillon's list for ARMY Dinahs, I can't see any links to 3-201 though. The 3rd. Okazaki AG used "3" plus number but were a Special Attack unit.

There are 2 photos of Dinahs marked "4-007" and "4-008" earlier in 1945 with 4th FCS (I think an Independent Chutai) presumably Mk. IV serials 5007 and 8, if so they would be 2 of the 4 shipped to the US from Yokota. I think Yokota is a reasonable location for 3-201 as the 8th. CCs was there from Sept. to 1946.



https://boxartden.com/reference/gall...2-_Page_10-960


Nick

musec04 23rd November 2024 11:35

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Nick,


Thanks for the additional info and link.


I've been browsing myself for additional JNAF Ki-46 and Have this photo of the tail of a 141 Ku machine as well as a colour profile from the Aviation of Japan site at respectively


https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-c...Luzon_1945.jpg


http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2019/...for-twins.html


Additional to these the Japanese version of Wiki also has 153 and 302 Kus as operators in addtion to the users mentioned by yourself. As for whether 203 Ku used the machine,too early at this point to say I think. However, Joe Picarella author of the two magnificent volumes on the Mitsubishi Babs mentioned that he started work on the Babs as an introduction to a series on the Dinah,so here's hoping that we see something more comprehensive on JNAF Dinah's in the not too distant future.


Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 24th November 2024 10:39

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Clint. Thought you might like this map of the Clark Field complex with Bamban (where 141-103 was found with 4 other Dinahs) at the top; one had "105" on the nose but not on the tail, probably 141-105. "ATIU Summary 281", July 1945 has a record of the 50 or so planes abandoned at Bamban.

Also Jim Long's useful list of Dinah Manufacturer's Numbers which may come in handy sometime though you may be familiar with it.
Nick



https://www.j-aircraft.org/smf/index...55366#msg55366


https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA...Triumph-IV.jpg

musec04 8th December 2024 09:53

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima Ki-43 unfortunately without visible tail markings.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15656618350...R8A23FFWS0Y0MP



The seller has other photos of Japanese aircraft,but these are largely either the Ki-21 or G4M carrying the surrender delegation at Ie Shimaand while the photos may be orginal the aircraft will already be known,but for those interested the photos can be found here


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...panese&_sop=10



Regards,


Clint

Buckeye30 8th December 2024 17:43

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
The Oscar in the first photo looks very like a 77th. Sentai one found in N. Guinea in 1944 (also in background of the other photo), there's part of a coloured diagonal stripe on the tail which could be their last marking, a horizontal "7". The 35FG was there until July and the 77th. was disbanded in N. Guinea ( I think in July). Col. Neel Kearby was shot down by the 77th.


Nick

musec04 8th December 2024 21:33

Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce
 
With your help Nick, I've found a better photo of this machine on Arawasi confirming your comments Ki-43-II of Capt Matsuo Yoshihide of 77 Hiko Sentai


https://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot....entai-pt1.html


Also a colour profile of the same.


https://www.alamy.com/nakajima-ki-43...370295622.html



Regards,


Clint


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