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It will never end...
Argus I EV762 Crashed near Messina Sep 1, 1943 after being fired on by friendly AA 41-31951 (455th BS, 323rd BG, 9th AF) hit by friendly fire at RAF Earls Colne, Essex, England Nov 7, 1943. All crew survived, aircraft badly damaged, unknown if repaired. Source for both: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_5.html |
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The find of the day:https://books.google.fr/books?id=ikx-AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA194
A book called "Friend or Foe: Friendly Fire at Sea 1939-1945", by Paul Kemp, with a lot of data on AC vs ship and ship vs AC cases. |
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And another, 5 May 1944, off Brazil, the Brazilian sub chaser Jaguarao was attacked by mistake at 01:10 AM by USN "blimp" K-132, which dropped one D/C over the ship. The bomb near missed by 20 meters.
Source: http://www.sixtant.net/2011/artigos....-jaguarao-cs55 |
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Thanks again, Laurent
I have a copy of Kemp's book - interesting. Cheers Brian |
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Hello, just read the following in the book "The Pendulum and the Scythe", the history of 4 Group RAF by Ken Marshall, 1996:
"By mid-1941, Germany possessed 250 twin-engined night-fighters (Bf110, Ju88 and Do217) backed by an increasingly effective ground control and reporting organisation. From the middle of 1941 the above system gradually became integrated with the Luftwaffe's Flak arm to create a 'Combined Nightfighting' (Kombinierte Nachtjagd) system around the cities of Bremen, Cologne, Darmstadt/Mannheim, Duisburg, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Kiel and Munich. Flak was normally limited to a height of 4,000 metres, although this could be raised at the discretion of the Division Kommandeur. For various reasons this resulted in quite a few night-fighters being shot down by their own Flak and, not sirprisingly, this system was abandoned by the end of the year." My understanding of the above is the system was set in place in mid-1941 and was abandoned before the end of 1941 after "quite a few" German nightfighters were shot down. Problem: I have checked both books of Michael Balss on Nachtjagd losses and I can't find any German nightfighter shot down by friendly Flak over Germany in this period. I found one in Germany in February 1941 and one over Holland in July. Here are all the case I found for 1941: 9./10.2.1941 3./NJG 1 Fliegerhorst Wunstorf Feindflug: ja Bf 110 D-0 Werknr.: 3172 Oblt. Werner Hansen gefallen unverletzt abgesprungen Durch eigene Flak abgeschossen. 13.3.1941 (book Materialverluste) III./NJG 1 Flugplatz Rheine Feindflug: ja BF 110 E Werknr.: 3684 Besatzung unverletzt Notlandung infloge Beschuß durch eigenen Nachtjäger. Schaden 40% 11./12.5.1941 (book Materialverluste) II./NJG 1 Bei Schleswig Feindflug: ja Bf 110 D-3 Werknr.: 4301 Oblt. Müntefering unverletzt Beschuß durch eigenen Jäger, Schaden 15% 27.5.1941 (book Materialverluste) 1./NJG 2 Bei Lannion (Frankreich). Feindflug: ja Ju 88 C-4 Werknr.: 0359 R4 + MK Ofw. Hermann Sommer verwundet Fw. Otto Glaß unterverletzt Ofw. Johann Reinagel verwundet Beschuß durch eigene Jäger , Bf 109, schaden 50% 23./24.7.1941 4./NJG 2 Bonby, Lincolnshire (England) Feindflug: ja Ju 88 C-4 Werknr.: 0854 R4 + LM Ogefr. Heinrich Ladiges gefallen Ogefr. Friedrich Heinemann gefallen Fw. Josef Beblow gefallen Vermutlich von eigenem Nachtjäger abgeschossen. 6./7.9.1941 0200 hrs according to Verliesregister 4./NJG 1 bei Franeker (Holland) Feindflug: ja Bf 110 C-5 Werknr.: 2191 G9 + BH Uffz. Heinz Grimm verwundet unverletzt Durch Abwehrfeuer geriet das eigene Flugzeug in Brand und die Besatzung sprang mit dem Fallschirm ab. |
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14th February 1945
Location: Pakkokku, Burma (or India?) Harvard attacked by a Spitfire of No.17 Squadron. Fg Offr Rathwell when on patrol over bomb line attacked an enemy ac that turned out to be a harvard. the Harvard crash landed in a paddy field and neither of the crew were injured. Approx 0700 hours. There is a detailed combat report by Rathwell available. ---------------- I have not been able to identify the unit or the air crew of this Harvard that ws downed. ---------------- Added after an hour ! Date of Crash 14 Feb 45 Aircraft Type Harvard IIb Serial Number KF106 Unit 42 Sqn Pilot details Fg Offr R B Jackson & Plt Offr Ashley Details Photograph sortie for smoke laying mission DAM BY Spitfire of 17 Sqn and Cr L Meiktila to escape gun fire. Crew slightly injured. Map Ref PP250790. Pilot slightly injured and passenger in right arm by shell splinter. Cat AC. 132RSU. http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=KF106 |
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I think you have data on paratroops being hit by RAF on 6 June 1944, but the fact that a dog was among the victims was new to me:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133565530/glenn-dog |
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Hi Laurent
Great stuff once again. It's a pity that I don't have sufficient time at the moment to assimilate all this new material, but do please keep it coming. The Glen the dog account is certainly interesting - I like to include animal stories in my books wen possible. A sad tale, but do we know how many other paratroopers were killed in this incident? Cheers Brian |
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A webpage listing friendly fire cases in North Pacific:
https://www.norpacwar.com/friendly-fire |
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Laurent, you're a hero!
Another site I had not seen. Excellent! Cheers Brian |
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Another example of certainly too high casualty number given by this page is for 27 June 1942, where "Wellingtons bombed for two hours British troops, killing 359 men" (sic). Given that between 26 and 28 June 1942, 600 Commonwealth men died in North Africa, I strongly doubt that more than half of them were killed in only one friendly fire case. By the way the war diary of one of the units supposed to have been bombed on 27 June 1942 is online (http://www.warlinks.com/armour/4_cly/4cly_42.php) and there is nothing about a bombing attack on this date. |
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From the US Army official book on Okinawa (see https://history.army.mil/books/wwii/...chapter4.htm):
"Enemy air opposition had been relatively light during the first few days after the landings. On 6 April [1945] the expected air reaction materialized with a fierce attack of 400 planes which had flown down from Kyushu to drive the invaders from Okinawa. The raids' began at dawn, and by noon Task Force 58 had shot down seven possible suicide planes. Throughout the afternoon the battle increased in intensity. Patrol and picket ships, which throughout the operation proved an irresistible attraction to enemy planes, were a favorite target. Japanese planes also appeared from time to time over the Hagushi beaches and transport area and were taken under fire by the ship and shore batteries. On such occasions the raider, ringed with bright streams of tracer bullets from automatic weapons, would streak across a sky filled with black puffs of smoke from hundreds of bursting shells, and in the course of seconds would plunge into the sea in a geyser of water and smoke, or crash into a ship with an even greater explosion of smoke and flame. Directed against such raiders, friendly fire killed four Americans and wounded thirty-four others in the XXIV Corps zone, ignited an ammunition dump near Kadena, destroyed an oil barge, and in the late afternoon shot down two American planes over the beaches. Some ships also suffered damage and casualties from friendly fire. Twenty-two of twenty-four suicide crashes were successful, sinking two destroyers, a mine sweeper, two ammunition ships, and an LST. A ship rescuing survivors from the lost LST was itself struck by a suicide plane soon after but was not seriously damaged. The attack cost the Japanese about 300 planes; 65 were splashed by fliers from the Essex alone. Unloading continued on the Hagushi beaches almost without pause, and the American fleet, although it had taken severe blows, was still intact." According to http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/USN/LLApr45.htm, the US Navy lost 19 aircraft in Okinawa area on this date so identifying the two victims of friendly fire would need a check of USN war diaries, and my fold3 account is down for the moment. |
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24 December 1944: the CC A of 2nd US Armored Division took Buissonville and then:
"After this action a squadron of P-38's strafed the village, probably on a mission which had been called for before the assault, killing one American officer and wounding another before the airplanes could be diverted." Source: https://history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-8/7-8_18.HTM (official US Army History, THE ARDENNES: BATTLE OF THE BULGE) 21 November 1943: a Navy bomber attacked US tanks at Makin: "Before the four tanks had dispersed, a navy bomber suddenly swung over them at a very low altitude, and from its opening bomb-bay hatch, a 2,000-lb. "daisy-cutter" fell, striking ground about 25 feet from Captain Tobin's tank on the highway. Lieutenant Gallagher, Pfc. John E. Costello, who was covering him from the base of a nearby tree, and Cpl. Elmer F. Conway, who was in a foxhole, were all killed, and two sergeants were wounded, while other tank men were injured by the concussion. By the time the crews had recovered the snipers were forgotten. They gave no further trouble. " https://history.army.mil/books/wwii/makin/mak-drive.htm Note: according to the website findagrave.com, full name of the officer was Lt Edward J Gallagher, and he and Costello both belonged to 165th Infantry Regiment. Conway was not found on findagrave.com or the ABMC database. |
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18 October 1942: a B-25 bombed in error two trawlers of the Small Ships Section that just arrived at Pongani for the first landing on the coast behind the Buna front. 1st Lt. Adam Bruce Fahnestock, head of the Small Ships Section, and a New York Times correspondent, Byron Darnton, were killed and several other men were wounded.
https://history.army.mil/books/wwii/.../ChapterV.html |
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3 July 1941: a Soviet aircraft carrying a special courrier was shot down in error by Soviet AA fire near Orsha, killing the crew and the courrier. No more details.
Source: https://gfs.gov.ru/istoriya-sluzhby/...vov-1941-1945/ |
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Two other incidents of Friendly Fire
----------------------- The infamous PEGU March of Allied POWs from Rangoon. As allied troops closed in on Rangoon Quote:
-------------------------------------- B29s vs Spitfire On 1944-09-04 Spitfire VIII MD271 being flown by Maj W H Hoffe , CO of 152 Sqdn was shot down by B29s near Tamu. Hoffe crashlanded the badly damaged spitfire at Tamu and wrecked it. The B29 gunners claimed a "Probably Tony that looked like a Spitfire". Hoffe got to visit the B29 unit that shot at him and their CO apologised. ----------------------------------- |
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On 31 March 1942 a German barrage balloon worked "as designed", bringing down an Allied aircraft.... except it was a captured one flown by a German pilot.
The aircraft was a former Russian captured I-16 ("Werknumber" 2335 in German loss report, from what I have seen from captured French aircraft could be a part of the Soviet serial number, or the entire one) flown by Ofw Gustav Küll of Ld.Kdo. 2/6, who was killed when he crashed south of Dünnwald, near Köln, after hitting a ballon cable. The aircraft was a total loss (100% damage). Source: Matti Salonen, on this forum ( http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...234#post240234) (By the way I know examples of German bombers destroyed by balloons over UK, even if British balloons destroyed far more Allied aircraft than enemy ones, but I don't remember any case of Allied aircraft destroyed by German balloons). |
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And still the information comes pouring in! Many thanks.
Was Gustav Kull (a distant relation?) the same guy who flew with 8./JG51 in the Battle of Britain? Cheers Brian |
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Next case I am not sure of the date, either 21 or 22 November 1942, possibly both: From the history of the American 601st Tank Destroyer Battalion (https://www.tankdestroyer.net/images...y_Part_1.pdf): "On the 21st [December 1942], the convoy reached its temporary destination, Souk El Khemis, Tunisia, in the heart of "Stuka Valley". Several hours later [possibly on the 22nd according to my search, see below], the Kraut planes came in fast and low and when the thunder of the fifties, the thrities, the 20 millimeters and the rifles, tommy guns ans spistols had quieted down, Michael Syrko, a harmless little guy who asked nothing more out of life than a chance to go back to his farm in Pennsylvania, lay dead in the Tunisian sand. Ten minutes later, the enraged Tank Destroyers shot down their first Spitfire." Note: the Tunisian town of Souk El Khemis has since been renamed Bou Salem, and is situated about 20 km WSW of Beja. According to the ABMC database, Pvt Micheal [sic] Syrko of 601st Tank Destroyer Battalion was killed on 22 December 1942. According to the book "Fw 190 in Africa", on the 21st two Fw 190s of III./SKG 10 glown by Lt Graf von Westerholy and Fw Esau took off from Sidi Ahmed at 0900 hrs to attack targets of ooportunity in or around the town of Beja. Loaded with SD 250s, they found and bombed a cncentration of vehicles. AA fire was encountered but they were not hit. There was no other raid launched by this unit that day or the 22nd. The fighters of II./JG 2 flew unventful sorties on the 21st and escorted on the 22nd Stukas of II./StG 3 to attack tanks and vehicles south of Medjez-el-Bab. According to the book MAW3, on the 21st six Spitfires of 152 Sqn and six of 93 Sqn took off at 1100 hrs to escort two Hurricanes over Beja and Oued Zarga. Sgt W A Dobson of 152 Sqn failed to return and it was reported that his Spitfire Vb ER721 appeared to have been hit by Flak south of Makin, when over Allied lines. Dobson was killed. -> I have been unable to find a place called Makin, but "Flak" "over Allied lines" might be Allied AA fire ? From the same book, on the 22nd, ten Spitfires of 111 Sqn escorted Hurricanes TacR sorties over the Allied advance to the height that will be named Longstop Hill at 0825 hrs. Over Pont de Trajan (some km south of Beja) they were fired on by the US troops' AA defences and three Spitfires were hit. The pilot of one, Plt Off H D Christian, having been wounded, undertook a forced landing "on a/d" ("on airfield" in my understanding), but died of his wounds next day. He was flying the Spitfire Vb ER605 (History of this aircraft in the Spitfire production list has two possible end: ER605 Vb CBAF M46 38MU 27-9-42 222MU 6-10-42 SS625 20-10-42 Gibraltar 6-11-42 CE ops 28-12-42 Engine cut bellylanded 5m E of Setif 16-11-43. So possibly the aircraft was considered as damaged beyond repair (CE) in December 1942, probably due to damage suffered on the 22nd, but if the next entry is correct was repaired and then wrecjed in another accident in November 1943) Also on the 22nd, Hs 129 of 5.(Pz)/SchG 2 made 13 sorties over the Pont ud Fahs area, claiming a dozen vehicles destroyed. |
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On 9 November 1942 the aircraft carrier USS RANGER (CV-4) launched three L-4 Grasshopper of the US Army in order to transfer them to an improvised landing ground at the racetrack of Fedala, Morocco. However, they soon came under friendly anti-aircraft fire, first by several ships of the landing fleet participating in Operation Torch, including the light cruiser USS BROOKLYN (CL-40) and then by the troops ashore. Two L-4 made forced landings on the beach, the third reached the racetrack but was forced to land after being taken under friendly fire again during his next flight.
Source: http://www.afhistory.org/wp-content/.../2002_fall.pdf |
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I initially rejected Spitfire ER605 on account of its subsequent history, but later decided to accept that Christian was wounded in that aircraft. Others I toyed with were: ER602 - Wrecked by Allied AA 22/12/42 ER815 - C2 Ops 22/12/42 ER820 - C3 Ops 22/12/42 ER860 - FAC3 22/12/42 The following, from Tony Bartley's, Smoke Trails in the Sky (pp.124-5), might be of interest: 22-12-42 In the afternoon, we patrolled the road between Teboussouck and Mejez, while the army were very busy running up their supplies to the front line. Everything looked fairly peaceful on the ground and we didn't see any e/a. On the way back, the Americans opened up on us over Khemis, and shot down one of my boys. Jimmy (Baraldi) took some of the boys over to see him in hospital and he seemed quite cheerful. He had been shot in the rectum with a .50 cal bullet, and was lying on his stomach awaiting an operation to remove the slug. 23-12-42 In the evening, we heard from the field hospital that my pilot had died on the operating table, and I blew my top. I determined to hold an investigation, and told our Doc to go over to the hospital, first thing in the morning, and bring a damn good explanation from the surgeons, or else. What else, I hadn't figured out, so Doc poured me stiff whisky and told me to cool it. (Thanks Roy[Nixon]). Harold Christian's medals (1939-45 Star, Aircrew Europe Star, British War Medal and Australian Service Medal) were auctioned by I S Wright (Ballarat, Vic.), in Postal Bid Sale No.42 (Item 2069) c.March, 1996. The reserve was AUS$125.00), never got the results of the auction. Col. |
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Thanks Col, Bartley's book pinpoints the place where US AA fire hit the Spitfire as Khemis, where 601st TD Bn was.
I wonder if the 111 Sqn ORB will give more details about the aircraft serials, and total losses this day. |
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Hello Brian,
I have recently joined as my Daughter was researching a naval uncle of mine who was killed before I was born and somehow came across this forum. You have been seeking information about an incident that happened on 15th Feb 1944 involving Sgt R.V. Cook. I am his son and am in possession of his log book. The entry in it states that the type and number of aircraft is 800, that the pilot was W/O Dills, the duty was Ex3 and under remarks the following is noted. 'did not complete shot at by A.A. fire landed at Scunthorpe. At the top of the pages is written Beaufighters and Little Snoring. The story that he told us was that they flew into a no fly zone, were shot at with the shell exploding very close resulting in the door being blown off (or opening, I cant remember) and that the pilot grabbed him to stop him falling out. He received lacerations to his forehead which left him with a noticeable scar but he did not have to bale out. The next date that he flew was April 5th but on 10th April he was again flying in aircraft number 8000, so I guess that it was not too badly damaged. I hope that this information is helpful to you. Please let me know if you want any other information Regards Malcolm |
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On March 14, 1945 IL-2 ground attack planes of 17 VA, 136 ShAD (mainly from 210 ShAP) attacked T-34/85 tanks of the 18 Tank Corps, 170 Tank Brigade at Seregélyes-NE in Hungary in 27 missions. (They dropped 85 FAB-100, 14 FAB-50, 40 AO-25, 6080 small AT PTAB bombs, fired 9090 23mm cannon shells and 14 RS-82 unguided rockets. Claimed 17 tanks for the loss of 5 IL-2: 18886107 18842110, 18881124, 12293, 18874124.)
Despite of the instant radio warnings and flare signals, the soviet IL-2s destroyed 4 soviet tanks with many crewmembers, includind some old and experienced war veterans: T-34/85, turret No. red '536', chassis No.: 4121531, engine No.: 105712, - л-т Талызин Александр Васильевич platoon-commander (KIA) T-34/85, turret No. red '544', chassis No.: 4121616, engine No.: 105589 T-34/85, turret No. red '545', chassis No.: 4121591, engine No.: 105126 T-34/85, turret No. red '575', chassis No.: 0412228, engine No.: 4090656 Some remains of these destroyed tanks have been recovered recently along with some SU-76M self-propelled guns. At least one T-34/85 burned so heavily, that their 85 mm shells sank into the melted aluminum of their "liquid" transmission... Fuel tank exploded of course, see its rusty cap and some tags from their tracks. Gabor |
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Two incidents of friendly barges being strafed by US fighters in Solomons.
On 5 December 1943 a former Japanese barge now used by New Zealanders after capture was being used to transport a padre to Tambama to visit his parishioners and conduct the SUnday service, but became grounded at Suanatalia, off Vella Lavella. A large American flag had been draped across the deck and a large white star painted on the roof of the wheelhouse. Five New Zealanders had gone over the side to push the barge off the coral reef when two American Corsair fighters appeared and commenced a strafing run. Two soldiers, Sapper F. L. Knipe and Corporal J. J. Todd, were killed, and another, Sapper A. T. Quirke, was wounded. The dead men were from 20th Field Company, and the death were flet very keenly. An inquiry was later held, and the explanation given was that the flight leader had simply been test-firing his guns and his wingman had followed suit. Major Generam Harmon acknowledged that there had been a flagrant breach of safety regulations and gross neglicence. He informed the New Zealanders that one of the pilots had been killed in combat, while the other had received forfeiture of hald a month's pay and a formal reprimand. Source: book "The Battle for Vella Lavella: The Allied Recapture of Solomon Islands Territory, August 15-September 9, 1943" by Reg Newell On 16 October 1943, a US barge left Matu Suroto for Wataro with the intention of delivering supplies and gear to New Zealand troops. At 0915 hrs, when the barge was in open water just south of Mundi Mundi, four Corsairs were sighted. One peeled off, dove straight at the barge, and opened fire. It killed the coxswain, N. Blackmore, USNR, and wounded C.W. Sorrels, USNR, and two New Zealandes, Pte Lincoln and Pte N D Kingon, both of 16 MT Cpy ASC. Lincoln's arm had to be amputated, and he later died. "Lt L.T? McMillan and the coxswain had a marvelous escape, the steerting wheel being splintered and the barge well peppered." They were the only ones left uninjured, so he immediately headed back to Matu Suroto at full speed. The New Zealanders were perplexed by the attack, since no enemy barges had been seen in daylight for at leats three weeks prior to the attack. In order to prevent further casualties, orders were issued that "in view of the Air Force practice of testing guns on wrecked barges round the coast, wrecks will be given a wide berth and it is forbidden to visit them." Source: book "The Battle for Vella Lavella: The Allied Recapture of Solomon Islands Territory, August 15-September 9, 1943" by Reg Newell The above text is a near-complete summary of the book and the contradiction between the US coxswain being killed in one sentence, and the coxswain and a NZ Lt surviving unhurt in another is in the book! Regarding the second incident, the two dead were probably: 1) F2C Merlin Dale BLACKMORE, a crew of USS Fuller (APA-7). Source: https://www.naval-history.net/WW2USc...USNbyNAMEB.htm 2) Pte William Franck Lincoln. Source: https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/c...william-frank/ An American report describes this attack from the air, available here: https://www.fold3.com/image/27102586...october%201943 (no more time to retype it there, Brian ask if you don't have access) |
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Hi everyone!
Here is a report from Soviet Air Defense – 9th IAK PVO on P-38 shot down over Kiev. JUNE 26, 1944 At 09.10 AM on a patrol over Kiev pilots from 39th GVIAP PVO senior lieutenant Grishin and junior lieutenant Vitchenko encountered an American P-38 Lightning fighter at 9,500 m 25 km SE of Vasilkov. The aircraft showed no recognition signals. Misidentifying the aircraft as hostile, the fighters attacked and shot it down. The Lightning set on fire, pilot bailed out. June 26 is a date when American planes participating in Frantic II set for return mission from Ukraine. As P-38s did not participate in the first two shuttle missions I suppose this could be an F-5. |
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This is also confirmed by US sources, though it is stated that the F-5 was downed on June 15. The pilot was First Lieutenant David K. Rowe. The Soviets misidentified his plane as a Ju 88 they had been chasing.
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In "Sensi Sosho vol 3", the volume of Japanese official history describing the invasion of the Dutch East Indies, there is a mention of a deadly friendly fire on 20 December 1941 near Davao, Mindanao:
"The Miura Detachment, assigned to seize the airfield in a night attack and then capture the city of Davao, and the naval landing force, assigned to capture the oil storage facilities at Lanang in a night attack, each reported that they had successfully made surprise landings at 0400.(87, 89, 90) When Detachment Commander Sakaguchi came ashore in the second transport and advanced toward the airfield believing that the airfield had been secured in the night attack by the Miura Detachment, he only found that the Miura Detachment had not been able to launch a predawn attack, that some fifty soldiers had been killed when our naval planes mistakenly bombed them while they were preparing for an attack after daybreak, and that this had put the detachment in a difficult position for carrying out the attack. He also found that the naval landing force, which should have captured the oil storage facilities at Lanang in a night attack, had not been able to carry that out either and was moving toward the airfield." |
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A case of friendly bombing, but unintended:
On 29 January 1945 the American landing craft repair ship ARL-2 Amycus was anchored in Lingayen Gulf when at 1022 hrs an explosion occured about 60 feet off her port quarter. The ship was slightly damaged but shrapnel killed three sailors (S1C James Brocco, F1C James Haugh and S1C Willard Jamison) and wounded nine. Investigations revealed that it was a bomb jettisoned by a Navy SBD formation flying over the ship. Source: https://www.fold3.com/image/295239452 https://www.naval-history.net/WW2USCas.htm |
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Hello Laurent,
yes, it is sometimes hard to take a difference between "friendly fire" (imo an intended action) from "accident" (unintended). Thank you for sharing. Regards Darius |
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Report on the Bombing of Our Own Troopsduring Operation “Tractable” 14 August 1944 by Arthur T. Harris: https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcont...38&context=cmh Regards Darius |
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On April 26, 1945, P-61B-10-NO, AAF SN 42-39559, was shot down by friendly fire at approximately 2130. It was from the 417th NFS, flying out of Giebelstadt, Germany, flying a night intruder mission in defense of the Ulm-Dillingen Bridgehead. The location of the crash site was recorded as "Vicinity Altishein, Germany T 30821"
The pilot was 2LT Thomas E. Cartmell USAAF (my uncle), flying his first combat mission. IDPF records suggest a catastrophic crash and burn. The radar operator was 2LT Hal Anderson, who bailed out before the crash but because of the low altitude, his parachute did not fully deploy and he was killed on impact. Tom is buried at the AMC in St. Avold, France, and Hal was buried in the U.S. More details of the loss, plus transcribed letters of Lieutenant Cartmell during his training and wartime service can be found at https://brooksidepress.org/cartmell/ Mike Hughey |
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Maybe we had these incidents here earlier:
KTB Skl, 01.01.1945 Quote:
The Jäger ware obviously Fw-190, context of these incidents was operation „Bodenplatte“. Regards Darius |
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No idea if seen yet: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...claude-b-allen
He was with 68th Field Artillery Battalion, 1st Armored Division, in an L-4 Cub most likely. Regards, Leendert |
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Hi guys
Thanks Leendert and Rolland - most interesting. And belated thanks to Darius and Mike. Take care, stay safe Brian |
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This was Mosquito HK289 of RAF No. 68 Squadron with, interestingly, two US Navy aviators.
See https://nl.findagrave.com/memorial/5...-newkirk-aiken and https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/15768 Did not find "Aiken" and "HK289" using search in the Friendly Fire section, so assume not listed yet? Regards, Leendert |
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Four American civilians killed and five wounded by US bombs accidentaly released near Eglin bombiong range in Florida on 11 August 1944:
https://fr.findagrave.com/memorial/2...-marvin-cosson |
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I've searched the thread but did not find "The Battle of Barking Creek" in which RAF pilots hosed RAF pilots early on, days after start of the war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Barking_Creek |
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Hi,
from NARA, T312-1362, AOK Narwa: 15.02.1944, Tagesmeldung 227.Inf.Div.: Quote:
Regards Darius |
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