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I'm afraid the American GI that wrote Babenhausen on the back of the photos is no longer around to explain.
Cheers, Jerry

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Ju 88
https://fm0qqw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OOAK-AUSTRA...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi

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10 photos of captured german a/c
https://www.ebay.com/sch/sturmvogel1...19.m1438.l2654

Regards,
Rudi

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Hi Rudi,

The first picture in your post #843 was taken in a hangar at Horsching-Linz probably after October 1945. A similar picture can be seen on page 16 Wings of the Black Cross number eight .

thanks again,

Jim

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The second photo appears to be the Fieseler built D-9 601444 found at Eschwege, Germany.

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Here is a photo of Dora 9 "White 5" from III./JG 2. This photo along with the photos of "White 12" from II./JG 2 were taken at Babenhausen, an not Zellhausen. However, JG 2 used these airfields as necessary. Both of these units moved to Babenhausen in the middle of February 1945.

In April III./JG 2 moved on from Babenhausen. There was a lot of movement of JG 2 around the Frankfurt area toward the end.
Cheers,
Jerry

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Does the 3rd a/c (190?) in the 4th photo have a Ta 152 tail?

DB

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Bf 110:
https://fm2rcw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-VINTAGE-P...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi

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3 Me 262 photos:
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https://fm2kla.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://fm0jua.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
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Regards,
Rudi

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Thanks as ever for your finds ! The Bf 109's seen are possibly from 1.(F)./AGr. 121 at Florennes, Belgium in September 1944. You can check the known photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57673526595146

Cheers
Marc

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The A.I.2(g) report on Florennes says 712185 was a Do 217, "destroyed". Only one Bf 109 is listed but with no details except, again, "destroyed".

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During their time at Florennes the 1.(F)/121 was only equipped with the Me 410. The Staffel received the first Bf 109G-6 in September at Langendiebach.

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Thanks, Nick !

Merlin,
You're positive about the arrival of Bf 109 G-6 in the 1.(F)/121 inventory after they left Florennes ?

Cheers
Marc

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A 1.(F)/121 strength return from early October is attached. If I find anything earlier, I'll post it another time.

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Much indebted, Nick!!

Keeping my fingers crossed for the September return

Cheers
Marc

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Doesn't the tail plane of a do217 has a slat?

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Only Me 410s on strength on 12 and 13 September. On the 13th, 1.(F)/121 announced that its Field Post should now be sent to Lagendiebach. The first report of Bf 109s on strength I've found was on 16 September (attached composite image, original goes over two pages).

The first Bf 109 Werk Nummern they mention are 412588 (u/s on 24 September) 412484 (u/s on 26 September).

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Hi all.Tail is Ju 88 G-1, W.Nr.712185.https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bEkAA...VK/s-l1600.jpg

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Hello Gentlemen,

How should I understand the word "night" in the sentence "15 crews of which 6 night" ?
...
It is interesting to compare this sentence with a picture's back coming from an old auction. The corresponding photo depicting one of the two Bf109 photographed at Florennes.
You can read "Nite kite".
Is there a relation between "6 night" and "nite kite" ? :)

Next, at the bottom of same back it is written 9/11/44...
Ho should I read it? 11 September or 9 November ? :) (bis.)

Regards,
Franck.

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I understand it as 6 crews qualified in night flying Recce (using flares, flash bombs etc.)

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Next, at the bottom of same back it is written 9/11/44 ... How should I read it? 11 September or 9 November ? (bis.)

That depends whether it was written by an American or not.

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Bf 109 & Ju 88:
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-10-Orig...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi

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Oh, thank you Mister Beale,

Very helpful.
What about "nite kit"?

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I read "nite fighter" — but Americans spell "night" the same way the British do so that isn't a firm clue to the writer's nationality.

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This I understood
But why do you think the guy thought one Bf109 was a Night Fighter?

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Many thanks Nick !

This settles the case of 1.(F)/121 then... So from which unit are those two 109's found in Florennes ?

Cheers
Marc

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Thanks Rudi.

The 109 is Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 18 360 "Weisse 5", 4./JG 77, found wrecked on 25 August 1943 at Foggia Hauptplatz. Source: Prien, p 1843.

Cheers
Marc

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The 3 Ju 88 photos in the lower right corner are interesting. The machine is either sporting an SKZ, or this might be the first KG 60 machine (P1+__) I think I've ever seen in photos.

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In fact, Jim, here we hv PI+SX, Ju 88A-4 300230

Rémi

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412588 was reported loss on 25/06/1944; F returned. 8./JG27; "Rote 4 + |". Raum Caen/Bayeux. 100%. Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, III. & IV./JG 27, p.332.

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I wonder which unit made the reporting error? It might be resolved by following up later 1.(F)/121 and 1./NAG 1 strength reports but I'm busy with other things at the moment.

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different wrecks:
https://eqjn5w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-U-S-Ph...19.m1438.l2649

Fw 190:
https://eqhoxa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/side-vu-of-...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi

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Hello,
Thank you Rudis for the Fw 190.
I think this is a plane from the Luftflotte 4 with the yellow band on the nose, but from wich unit ? SG 2 or SG 10 ?
It look like a F-9 model but i'm not sure. It's very difficult to see the differences between the F-8 and the F-9.

Best regards,
Lumabe

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I./SG2 Mr Lumabe, because of the wooden rocket rack for Pb1/M8.

(I./SG10 was panzerschreck only )

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What a strange blending of photos here:

Beyond the mentioned types, the following can be said for the 109's:

1. A Bf 109 G-8, given the camera hatch fairing leaning against the lower rear fuselage.

2. Seen form afar is probably the Mühlhdorf-am-Inn Frontschleuse with one of the many I./EJG 1 Bf 109's which ended up there.

4. Among the shots is a still from Hartmann's G-6 W.Nr. 166 221 in September 1944.

5. Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 786 476, "Schwarze 7", 2./JG 52, Deutsch Brod, May 1945. Published in Janda and Poruba 2004, p. 21.

6. This IV./JG ? Bf 109 G-6 rings a bell... can't remember where I've seen it though...

Cheers
Marc

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Indeed a strange mix Marc, usually i pass these for obvious reasons but i had not seen most of them.