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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 250467)

Thanks very much Rudi for these new pictures taken at La Marsa!
;)

My pleasure

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# 956 Italian Piaggio P 108T transport aircraft, captured at Pontedera (Piaggio factory), where, after the war, the famous Vespas were built.
Cheers
Harry

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Fw 190's, Italy, said to be in 1944
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-WWII-US...IAAOSwpzVazNh~

Cheers
Marc

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The "Signal Corps" did more during the war than it is credited for.

Ed

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#970

Thank you Rudi, interesting set from the Brunnthal scrapyard. Worth noting is the Bf 110 G-4 fuselage with fighter-style chevron, simple white Balkenkreuz and large AA code. Markings-wise, looks like a twin brother of Herbert Lütje's a/c found at Aschaffenburg.

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Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 163 884 "Rote 2", 6./JG 27 (?), Saint-Dizier, France, Autumn 1944.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-S...EAAOSwsA5a0mbF

Bf 109 G-4, possibly La Marsa, Tunis, May 1943
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-S...EAAOSwsA5a0mbF
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-S...gAAOSw6qpa0mVd

Cheers
Marc

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Marc-André

Something is wrong with your message
Out of three links, two goes to the same photo (link 1 and 2).
However you list these same links as two different aircraft.
Rather impossible if you ask me....:)

Cheers
Stig

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This is the correct link for "Bf 109 G-4, possibly La Marsa, Tunis, May 1943":
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...19.m1438.l2649

Regards,
Rudi

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Thanks Rudi

Cheers
Stig

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My mistake, Stig ; sorry. Thanks for the correction, RudiS!

Cheers
Marc

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Thank you, Rudi. I am still amazed by some of the elaborate camouflage schemes.

Ed

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The Bf 109 in post #983 looks as if it might be René Darbois' W.Nr. 160756, KT+LL, yellow 4 of I./JG 4. The skyline matches a shot I have of that aircraft.

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And what looks like the skeleton of a Me323 Rudi.

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Originally Posted by Kutscha (Post 250836)

And what looks like the skeleton of a Me323 Rudi.

Or a maybe Me 321?

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#981 The first He111 has a camouflage scheme reminiscent of TG30 when supplying the isolated French Atlantic stongholds in 1945.
Regards
Peter

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Originally Posted by peter.werry (Post 250857)

#981 The first He111 has a camouflage scheme reminiscent of TG30 when supplying the isolated French Atlantic stongholds in 1945.
Regards
Peter

It almost certainly is a TGr. 30 machine — there was another photo of it in James V. Crow's collection. The code fusleage code appears to be +IL (probably S3+IL) but there is a "K" on the rudder.

An S3+IL made a flight to Guernsey on 9/10 December 1944; S3+KL flew to St. Nazaire on 17/18 March 1945. However, all 3./TGr. 30 machines were supposed to go to North Germany when the Allies crossed the Rhine, leaving the other two Staffeln in Bavaria. So this particular plane wound up in the "wrong" place.

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Thanks Rudi. Not Ar 234 but Me 262 wing and engine assembly. Ju 87 and this assembly ate known, but I don’t have access to my files right now to determine the location. I am sure others will be able to identify the airfield.

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Thanks Roger. The shape of the wing made me think it was an Ar 234.

Regards,
Rudi

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#989 Thanks Nick for your confirmation of TG30. Subsequently I have found another photo of the same machine in Pegg's 'Transporter Vol2' on page 189, it was He111 H-20 W.Nr.700328 coded S3+IP at Schweinfurt in 1945.
Regards
Peter

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Originally Posted by peter.werry (Post 250887)

S3+IP would be a problem because as far as I know TGr. 30 only had three Staffeln in the period from June 1944 until the end of the war.

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Were there four in total?

https://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/tgr30.html

Ed

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 250914)

Were there four in total?

https://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/tgr30.html

Ed

Georg Schlaug told me he had evidence from a Soldbuch that a 4./TGr. 30 was formed in North Germany towards the end of the war. Apparently it was an ad hoc unit made up of various transport machines assembling there and finished up at Eggebeck. For the supply operations in the west from June 1944 only the Stab, 1., 2. and 3. appear to have been involved.

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Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 250914)

Were there four in total?
Ed

Hi Ed,
That's not exactly what Nick said; just that after June 1944 TGr.30 had three Sfaffeln.
Same in Pegg's Transporter Vol 2 (I gave just a quick glance) it's clearly said page 159 where "the group had at that time- around 18 of November - between 30 to 35 machines divided between the three Staffeln" (sic)

As for the machine with "K" on rudder ...
Caption page 181 talking about 700628 Code S3+ML !!! and tail unit was a replacement.
...
As for me I can't go beyond this; unless there was two machines having a replacement tail with a "K" on it :)

regards,
Franck.

PS: Both machine at Schweinfurt, indeed; it should have been too easy without that de-tail (!)

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 250916)

Hi Ed,
Same in Pegg's Transporter Vol 2 (I gave just a quick glance) it's clearly said page 159 where "the group had at that time- around 18 of November - between 30 to 35 machines divided between the three Staffeln" (sic)
regards,
Franck.

Actual strengths at this period (source: ULTRA) were:

17.11.44 10 (3) aircraft 57 (15) crews
19.11.44 11 (3) aircraft 57 (16) crews

700628 was damaged twice in ground accidents, in November 1944 and January 1945.

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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 250915)

Thank you, Nick.

Ed

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