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Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Thanks to Ludovic, over on LEMB, I just uploaded a serie of screenshots taken from a US 103 Div. cameraman film shot in the winter 1945 - 1946 at Schongau:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpvmygc8f44

There are at least four Erla built Bf 109 G-10 and some older G-6 or G-14 types. All told a tremendous film, including a Fw 190 D-9 with it's 24 R4M rockets still attached on the wooden racks under its wings...

Cheers
Marc

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Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 149362)

film, including a Fw 190 D-9 with it's 24 R4M rockets still attached on the wooden racks under its wings...

Cheers
Marc

And it looks like it has "62" in small black figures (partly covered by snow) on the wing leading edge. Similar leading-edge markings were seen in the Verbandsführerschule General der Jagdflieger. Unlike other known aircraft of theirs (see Japo's Fw 190 D, Vol. 1), this doesn't seem to be a D-11, lacking that sub-type's outer wing cannon.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi Marc and Nick,

Stop the film at 2:01and count the white R4M tips. I count 13 = 26 total. What do you think?

Steve Sheflin

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 149373)

Stop the film at 2:01and count the white R4M tips. I count 13 = 26 total. What do you think?

Steve Sheflin

I make it 13 too.

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

The resent information is that the Doras had 2 x 13 rockets; it was only when the first photo was found it looked like there were 2 x 12 rockets.

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Originally Posted by veltro (Post 149360)

IMHO, it would be wiser... much wiser considering not only the virtual absence of any proof or recognization of its identity but also the aspect of reference that your excellent work has assumed in a short time.

And from this, to find elsewhere quoted as a fact your "tentative identity proposal" (as written in too much smaller characters below the data accompanying the photograph - BTW the only question mark I see is after the Werke Nummer, not enough, it seems - a fact that will be overlooked by those looking only for certainties in the caption), the step is very short.

Your work of collecting and making visible late Bf 109 images from various sources is more than commendable (I'd rather say invaluable), but trying to make ends meet at all costs is a way to ruin this, believe me.

Thanks as always for your attention

and Marc answer too.

Dear Ferdinando,

Santhia' is just a joke since I live there...
Anyway, You are perfectly right in this comment and I know Marc is trying his best (And his best is not bad) to take all needed precaution, not only in checking caption but in giving his sources; helping us to check again.
From my point of view, Flickr is limited to permit change in a caption. Just because it is difficult to get a picture posted month ago. Giving a page is not helpful since, number is changing when adding new pictures. .... And now, we have almost 150 pages to check... one by one.

One point has been good and did change - for good - the situation; When Marc did start his "Late war Bf 109 picture source", here in TOCH, more and more TOCH and LEMB members started their comments, in these columns or elsewhere.

Last, with few access, if no access at all, to books I, personnally, am very grateful for what Marc has done and is going to do. And of course to all TOCH and LEMB members who are keeping this lively.

Cheers, Franck.

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Merci Franck,

For your praise; with your and Ferdinando's untiring help, the 1944 - 1945 Bf 109 encyclopedy we're slowly building will be done one day;-))

Sincerely
Marc

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Folks,

I just found an interesting Bf 109 G-6/AS in its overall RLM 76 livery, probably photographed May - June 1944 in Germany; only the upper part of what seems to be a "Gelbe" tactical number can be seen.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

According to Prien and Rodeike 1995, III./JG 1, I./JG 5 and II./JG 11 were the first to be equipped with this subtype. I would be most interested into identifying unit and place.

Thanks for your inputs
Marc

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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 149366)

This footage is exploited in the Eagle Editions Dora book (Vol II, p187-188) - the aircraft is identified as a D-9 of 1./JG 101 'white 52' or possibly 'chevron white 52'

Re: Late war Bf 109 pictures source

Hi there folks,

I'm currently carrying out, a huge cleaning sorting of my Flickr account in order to flush out all remaining pictures without a proper legend. in this process, I'm confronted with a serie of about 20 pictures showing a line of Bf 109 G-6 or G14 with no JG specific markings. They were all part of an album sold on Ebay probably around 2005 - 2008. I just found two of them on Neil's Falkeeins blogspot but without a legend in a post devoted to the 22 August 1944 air battle over Mantes which involved II./JG 53, III./JG 76 and III./JG 26.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Are they II./JG 53 machines or III./JG 76, which converted until 20 August 1944 on brand new Bf 109 G-14's? Can the unit and subtype be confirmed? Is the location for those pictures known?

Are those pictures stemming from the same album do represent the same unit? At the same or in another location? The same time frame?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/