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He 219 W.Nr. 310 316.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-photo-Ca...YAAOSwPWZa25XO

Cheers
Marc

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1000+ posts well now, who would have thought that?

1. Afrika Bf109 graveyard https://www.ebay.com/itm/lot-of-2-Ge...MAAOSwtJFazTbx
2. Italian wreck Italy https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-WWII-U...0AAOSwhjRaw8i3

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Well done Michiel ! This thread obviously hits a soft spot among the TOCH community ;)

Thanks to all contributors
Msrc

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#994 You are absolutely correct Nick. According to the 2-part history of TGr30 by C.Archambault & J-L.Roba in 'Avions 131 & 132', TGr30 was formed from KGrzbV23 in May 1943 with Stab and four staffeln, but when it moved from the MTO (Practica Di Mare to Kaufbeuren in Allgau) at end of 1943 , the 4/TGr30 was dissolved and absorbed by the other three staffeln.The 'Aero Journal Hors-Serie 48' is devoted to the He111 and authored by C-J.Ehrengardt and on page 112 is a colour profile of 5J+HK (701412) as operated by 3/TGr30 at Zellhausen at end of 1944, so perhaps Pegg's (700328) could actually be 5J+IP of 6/KG4. The 5J or S3 is not distinct whereas the IP is clearly marked
Just a possible explanation?
Regards
Peter

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Hello everyone,
I reread all of the threads regarding He 111 H-20, marked 5J+IL, and found abandoned at Schweinfurt. However, I am still uncertain what the consensus is regarding its Werknummer. In my files, I have twelve photos of this aircraft, several of which clearly show that it is Werknummer 700628.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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#1005 Thanks Steve for this info, so do your copies clearly show 5J+IL or 3S+IL?.
Regards
Peter

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Hello Peter,
I should have been clear. Sadly, my photos show the WNr. and +IL, not the Geschwader code.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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Ju 52:
https://dlgacw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-US...19.m1438.l2649

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If it's clearly W.Nr. 700628, it is definitely a TGr. 30 machine. According to reports from that Gruppe it suffered 10% damage while taxying at Strasbourg-Entzheim on 6 November 1944. It was reported as one of the unit's aircraft dispersed in Zellhausen on 23 November and was 25% damaged in a crash there on 3 January 1945.

The only reference I have to an S3+IL is for a successful flight to Guernsey on the night of 9/10 December 1944.

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Regarding #1001: Is this He 219 W.Nr. documented? According to my books, this W.Nr. is outside the known blocks.

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I would like to name RudiS who took over half way and is carrying this one on an almost daily basis.

Thanks Rudi,

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And I will add my thanks to Rudi. One picture is worth a thousand words. It can help fill in missing pieces as research continues.


Nest,
Ed

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Thanks but I didn't "took over". I'm just filling in the gaps: posting what the regular posters missed. Apparently my saved searches on eBay seem to come up with items other people don't find.

Here is one more:
Bf 109:
https://dleb6a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...19.m1438.l2649

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Well RudiS,

Your vigil is highly rewarding : your latest find shows in the background a Bf 109 G-6/AS, G-14/AS or G-10, from the Stab of an unknown II. Gruppe.
In the foreground, you might have a Bf 109 K-4 from an early production batch, in the W.Nr. 330xxx - 331xxx. Still unsure though.

As for the location, might this be Bad Lippspringe ?

Cheers
Marc

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Here is one more:
Bf 109:
https://dleb6a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...19.m1438.l2649[/quote]

Looks like we have an early citizen of Tulsa who wanted to put that place on the map. I only thought Gene Pitney knew where it was....at least back in the 1960s...:D

Cheers
Stig

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Thanks Rudi,
It seems that Stab machine belongs to the same "family" of "Red 5" (whatever the code colour) said to have been pictured at Pau (sic) ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/280920...-jQz4H8-jQzURB

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Different a/c:
https://dlg2xa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-WW...19.m1438.l2649

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Post # 1017: France wreck https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-...8AAOSwNOVa3lXf

This a/c appears to be a P-47, possibly a captured example.

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Ju 88: In Tortorella according to the seller. Can anyone identify the unit of these Ju 88's?
https://dlfr0q.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.de/itm/2WK-USGI-Fot...19.m1438.l2649

He 111: Catania according to the seller
https://dlhe6g.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.de/itm/2WK-USGI-Fot...19.m1438.l2649

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Bf 109's & Bf 110:
https://dlffxw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Vintage-B...19.m1438.l2649

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Location is Schleissheim, near Munich.

Here another shot of that very same plane: Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 44. ..., "TS+MB", Technische Schule Motor, München - Schleissheim, July 1945. Source: Picasa web Google, album of Lt Kaczor.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7631640979973/

Thanks RudiS
Marc

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Hello,

Look the crosses on the upper wings were painted over and it seems this was applied on all planes..

The plane with the black 2 and without any german signs was a G-2 or G-4 model ?
And what was his unit ?

The black 15 in the background was a K-4 from JG 53.

Thank you for this very good picture.
Best regards,
Lumabe.

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Album with different captured German a/c in NORTH AFRICA:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-1942-R...19.m1438.l2649
https://seeu5g.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://sefrfg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://seg2oq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://seeblq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://segaua.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

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Wrecks, captionned by the seller as EL AOUINA, TUNIS:
https://segvwg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.de/itm/2WK-USGI-Fot...19.m1438.l2649

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Good eyes, Lumabe for "Schwarze 15"; thanks !
Marc

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no, no, two
On TS+MB camo details are like fingerprint. Two different fingers here. Two planes, maybe more.

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Me262 JV44 Innsbruck 1945
https://m.ebay.de/itm/LW-Jet-Flugzeu...kAAOSwgFJa5Li8

Regards
Harry

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He 111 & Ju 88:
https://sefkzw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-GERMAN-...19.m1438.l2649

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I'm not sure what you mean here, Ed. To me, in both photos the a/c in the foreground is the same Bf109G-6 - different lighting, canopy open at a different angle, but the camo is the same.
Now, in the Flickr photo the third a/c along also looks like TS+MB, and that's an earlier version.
Peter

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Post #1029: the He 111 looks like it has the code 6N+K_, if so it's from KGr. 100. Also it seems to have both a W.Nr. and four letters (possibly CF__) on the fin.

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CF+... right but not an STKZ..possibly the 6N+KG 7074, which hv got some problems in june 42 near Sidi Barani..

Rémi

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Bf 109:
https://sehlqw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Luftwaf...19.m1438.l2649

album with several captured a/c:
https://sehz0q.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://sefyxq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-US...19.m1438.l2649

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Marc, posts #1021 and #1022 show same TS+MB, but another with TS+MB altered as TS+Me is third in same row. What happened to third I saw one is a mystery. Does not appear now. Gone to the Trolls possibly. Sorry.

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No problems, EdNorth; all opinions can and should be expressed ;)
Cheers
Marc

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Thanks for those, Snautzer.

The first pic might well show "Schwarze 10", an Erla built Bf 109 G-10 from 2./JG 4 found at the outskirts of Giessen.

The second photo does show a Siebel 204, not a Bf 109, as said by the seller.

Cheers
Marc

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Or maybe, the idea in 1945 of what was a black hole ..:D

Rémi

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Marc, Look at the fore ground the engine and a bit back. Looks Bf109

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Hello,

Possibly, 6./KG 100 He 111 H-6 (W.Nr.7074) 6N+KJ, that made a low-level strafing attack on troops and trucks on the Sidi Barrani-El Daba Road on 23 June, 1942. The pilot, Ltn Bruno Stange, and his Beobachter, Uffz Josef Steffen, were both injured by return fire.

Col.