Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks Roland,
Very much appreciated.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Hello everyone,
I am perplexed by He 111 H-16, WNr. 8209.
If our LEMB Stammkennzeichen list is correct, its code was probably NN+BV and not the TS+WE or F as shown. Could these aberrant markings be another example of a Technische Schule marking like the Bf 109s marked TS+MB at Schleißheim?
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Post 1082: an interesting question there, Steve; thanks for opening that possibility

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr. 621 892
http://www.ww2online.org/image/ameri...1944-or-1945-1

Fw 190 F-8 W.Nr. 588 318 "Weisse 40"
http://www.ww2online.org/image/ameri...e-1944-or-1945

Both planes are in the same location, given the window pattern of the hangar in the background. Any idea about the location ?

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Actually two Ju 290 A-1 (never dot, dude) ended up in or near airfields in Afrika. Some of your other seen pictures can be of either. And J4+AH was indeed attacked by USAAF Kittyhawks and claimed destroyed by catching fire. But it was simply scrapped, and had tail detached. Pictures show that process. US soldiiers standing on its floor, first I thougt is was a cargo ship, it was so huge. But nose was burned off, after crash. Other had Stkz. SB+QB and was set on fire. Pictures of it were seen here (in this thread) recently.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Steve, do not let this old site bring you down. Generally speaking (not commenting on this case). Lots and lots of errors. Even the errors are sometimes wrong (plus many references are wrongly attributed). Many of these Stkz. come from logbooks, and as many know, they are known for contain writing errors besides bad hand-writing (sutterlin etc. etc.) and bad copying or copys of copys make matters worse. Even bad photos are qouted. Yes, Now I have said this.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

On TS+WE is the WNr. wrong painted

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Hello Marc,
Post #1084 – Unless I am mistaken, both of these photos were taken at Fl.Horst Weimar-Nohra (50.976389 11.246667).
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Hello again Marc,
Post #1084 again – Arado-Warnemunde-built Fw 190 F-8, 40+ white, is WNr. 588318.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Many many thanks, Steve, for the location; this issue was nagging me as I had already seen the FW 190, without knowing where....

Sincerely
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Gogh

Can you expand a bit on that please?
Such as what then is its correct WNr and also if you know why it is faulty and how come you know it is.

Cheers
Stig

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

He 111 & Ju 87, captioned as at Halle:
https://eqgxcw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/small-A...19.m1438.l2649

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Ju 87 D, Weimar-Nohra, early July 1945.

http://www.nohra.narod.ru/080545/nohra1945_ju87.jpg

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

It was once discussed here, I made a note attached to the picture.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Since I obviously missed out on that one, can you enlighten me a bit further please?

Cheers
Stig

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Gogh

I don't understand your answers.

Undoubtly, we can see Wnr 8209 and a 'Kennzeichen' (not necessarily a Skz) either TS+WE or more probably TS+WF.

Of course, these may be fake. But why? And what are the correct ones?

Gerhard

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

from this site

"16th July 2007, 13:14
David Ransome David Ransome is offline
Senior Member

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Wales, UK
Posts: 341
David Ransome
Photos Fw190, Ju87 & 88, He111 etc
Hi,

Just unpacked a box and rediscovered some large format copies of some photos taken at war's end 1945. I mentioned details of some on this site probably 3-4 years ago. My image resolution appears too high for them to be included in this mail but I could possibly send someone an attachment to play around with or, if you send me a pm I'll endeavour to send them to you!

I don't think that I've seen these pics published although I'm sure someone will advise if they aren't new!

Fw190 190148, and VO+LJ and ??+SB, tall tail wheel and fin Me109, Ju87 & 88, shot up JG2 emblem, He111 3209 TS+WE and other bits & bobs.

Thought that somebody may be interested in seeing them,

Regards,

David"

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=9474

I'm going to sleep.
Maybe it's a secret after all!
Thanks Piet!
Regards,
Franck. ;)

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks Gogh

Now, that was an old thread :)
Did David ever post a photo of said He 111? As far as I can read we only have his interpretation. He does not actually say the photo shows 8209 but in fact is 3209 doctored to resemble the former. This means that David read the WNr as 3209 while everyone else now (or so I think) is reading 8209.

I have nicked two e-bay photos myself and both of them very clearly show 8209. The eight conforms exactly in paint, shape, size etc with the other three digits, so whoever performed the "hoax" was very careful indeed.

Bottom line, for me at least, is that I need a bit better evidence for tampering than this. Sorry.

Cheers
Stig

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

press photos:
https://eqhnxa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/1943-Pr...19.m1438.l2649

https://eqgc0q.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/1939-Vi...19.m1438.l2649

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Paris, place de la Concorde and Hôtel de Crillon in background.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Quite a few today:
https://eqhgfq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://eqjfoa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://4iok0a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://eqikja.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://eqiwqg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://eqgjga.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://eqj7iq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://4imlrq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649
https://4ipauq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks Rudi, as usual,
...
Hmmm :) https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Org-Pho...19.m1438.l2649

Maybe a Spitfire, don't you think so ?
Regards,
Franck.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

3rd, 4th and 5th Bf109s pictures were in a photo album auction few weeks ago.
The Emil picture is a new one, at least for me.
As for the Spit. Well, it's a Spit. ;)

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Yes Franck, I think you're right.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Brunnthal with Ju 88 G-6 W.Nr. 621328
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-WWII...MAAOSwhElbAhJ1

Do 335 W.Nr. 240102, probably at Wright-PAtterson AFB.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-10-...gAAOSw--xbAeYd

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

All planes are well known, but documented by new photos, Libya, 1942 :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sna...MAAOSwZ~hbBBgQ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WWI...sAAOSw9RdbBBfy
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WWI...MAAOSwYeNbBBf7

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks Marc.

One funny point, at least for me; in his description the seller writes "wrecks captured in the Western Desert of Libya in 1942..".
"Western Desert" does indicate a part of Egypt, not Libya, and, formally, it's the part of Egypt situated West of Nile (left on the map) as described in antic texts and by archeologists.... Indeed very Eastern part of Libya is situated in what we use to call "Western Desert" area.
What seller wrote is, thence, a non sense.

Regards,
Franck.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Geographical point taken, Franck !

Here some more for all our location wizards:

He 111 H W.Nr. 7074 "DF+MH"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-C...MAAOSwtNFbBgY8
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-C...QAAOSwgTJbBgYO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-photo-C...8AAOSw9NhbBgVy

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Regarding # 1109:

The He 111 is from KG 100 with Verbandskennzeichen 6N+KZ, captured at Cagliari/Elmas airdrome (source: ADI(K) Med).

It was damaged 23rd June 1942, shot up over Sidi Barani, with two men wounded from the Lt.Stange crew. At that time it was coded like 6N+KJ (source: Ulf Balke KG 100 chronicle).

Carl

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

It looks like it's coded 6N+KJ in the photo, too (and W.Nr. 7074).

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

I did ask the seller for better scans but he never replied so we'll have to do with this one:
a Fw 190, Ju 88 ??+AR and a photo of a pile of wrecks:
https://4imeqg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-Pho...19.m1438.l2649

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Charles,

Thanks for your enlightening informations. And Nick, thank for your confirmation.

Cheers
Marc

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

The Fw 190 D-9 in the lower left corner is W.Nr. 210239 from 6./JG 26, crash-landed in Wesel area on 9th March 1945.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

For Tom W.─

Regarding the Hs 129 + Z Q in 59-586, I have just come to the same conclusion
as yourself based on the Pegg title on the Hs 129. Boy, the data in this Werknummer
range are thin on the ground!

Rabe Anton

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Hi Rabe

A little confused with the Hs129 W/Nr batch and the part Stkz ??+ZQ. Can you please elaborate. Thanks
Tom

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Junkers 88 G-1, W.Nr.712283, 3C+AR, 7.Staffel/NJG 7, lost during a special mission, crashed east of Maastricht, 100% damage
Pilot: (Staffelkapitän?) Uffz. Erich Stifter, bordmechanik Gefr. Johann Blever, radaroperator Obgefr.Werner Lefkes, they all died

Can someone confirm it?

Thanks to all of you. Ľubor.

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks Maciej & Ľubor.

Album with several photos of He 111 (just showing two here) and a Bf 109:
https://4io5cg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://4inu5w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://4ipvww.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WWII-US...19.m1438.l2649

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Ju88G-1 W.Nr. 712283 (3C+AR) of III./NJG4 (7. Staffel) crashed two kilometres N/NNW of Wesel at approx. 23.55 hrs on the night of 24-25 March 1945 during a Nachtschlacht mission against the Allied bridgehead over the Rhine.


FF: Lt. Mittendorf OR von Mylius (not a Staffelkapitän)
Bf: Uffz. Erich Stifter
Bm: Gefr. Johann Blever
Bs: Ogefr. Werner Lefkes + (b. 07/09/1924 in Viersen, buried in unknown grave at the Kriegsgräberstätte in Wesel-Diersfordt (D))

By all accounts, one man died in the crash, two wounded men were shot, and one man was taken prisoner. Ogefr. Lefkes is the only confirmed death so far, but two bodies of the crew are visible in photos taken the day after the crash, and other photos from a later time show the body of the pilot after recovery from the cockpit (which was apparently cut open to get the body out).

Cheers

Rod

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 

Thanks as ever, RudiS, for your haul.

A small precision: what is called a Bf 109 is actually the starboard engine fo a destroyed He 111 H.

Cheers
Marc