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RudiS 25th May 2018 16:44

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks for correcting this, Marc.

spektor 25th May 2018 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RodM (Post 252403)
Ju88G-1 W.Nr. 712283 (3C+AR) of III./NJG4 (7. Staffel) crashed two kilometres N/NNW of Wesel at approx. 23.55 hrs on the night of 24-25 March 1945 during a Nachtschlacht mission against the Allied bridgehead over the Rhine.


FF: Lt. Mittendorf OR von Mylius (not a Staffelkapitän)
Bf: Uffz. Erich Stifter
Bm: Gefr. Johann Blever
Bs: Ogefr. Werner Lefkes + (b. 07/09/1924 in Viersen, buried in unknown grave at the Kriegsgräberstätte in Wesel-Diersfordt (D))

By all accounts, one man died in the crash, two wounded men were shot, and one man was taken prisoner. Ogefr. Lefkes is the only confirmed death so far, but two bodies of the crew are visible in photos taken the day after the crash, and other photos from a later time show the body of the pilot after recovery from the cockpit (which was apparently cut open to get the body out).

Cheers

Rod

Thank you very much for the accurate information, Rod. I only know these photos https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic....97966#p1798062
Yours sincerely Ľubor.

RudiS 27th May 2018 14:10

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Bf 110 & Bf 109:
https://4inidq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://4ip96q.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Picture...19.m1438.l2649

Ju 87:
https://bwqnga.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Picture...19.m1438.l2649

RudiS 29th May 2018 11:48

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
He 111:
https://bwpcjq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-scr...19.m1438.l2649

Bf 109:
https://bwrdaq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Origina...19.m1438.l2649

Nick Beale 29th May 2018 16:55

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
That He 111 seems to be the machine featured in post #981, S3+IL of 3./TGr. 30.

RudiS 29th May 2018 16:58

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Yes, I think that's the same one.

RudiS 30th May 2018 11:09

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Ju 88:
https://bwp4dg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Origina...19.m1438.l2649

Do 17:
https://bwo7rg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Origina...19.m1438.l2649

Pegasus123 30th May 2018 16:55

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Hi Guys


Here some nice Me262 pictures, taken after the war?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-ME-262/...sAAOSwwwRa~sVw

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-ME-262-...UAAOSwVtta~sTG

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-ME-262-...UAAOSwaZFa~sRK


Regards


Harry

RudiS 31st May 2018 13:18

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks for these links, Harry.

Does anyone know which unit these a/c were from?

ChristianK 31st May 2018 14:02

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks Harry, great find! These are photos of Me 262s while still in service and I have not seen them before. They will sell for a pretty penny..


I think somewhere exists a photo of a Me 262 B from KG(J) 54, featuring the same arrow as the one-seater in the first photo...

RudiS 31st May 2018 16:07

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 252675)
I think somewhere exists a photo of a Me 262 B from KG(J) 54, featuring the same arrow as the one-seater in the first photo...

B3+SH of 1./KG(J)54. Photo appeared in several publications, f.i. Luftwaffe in Focus Special 2, Me 262 The production Log 1941-1945 & Jet & Prop Foto-Archiv 10.

I haven't seen it on any other a/c yet.

ChristianK 31st May 2018 19:57

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Thanks Rudi, there it was!


Well I guess this makes our Me 262 A here B3+AL of 3./KG(J) 54, photographed in Giebelstadt perhaps..

Pegasus123 31st May 2018 23:11

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks a lot Rudi and Christian, count on you��. I really appriciate your help and knowlwge. I know I have seen a Me262 with an arrow some years ago in a book, written in English.

Regards

Harry

RudiS 2nd June 2018 14:19

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Bf 109 captioned as Bad Lippspringe:
https://bwrwug.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WWII-OR...19.m1438.l2649

Marc-André Haldimann 2nd June 2018 15:27

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Thanks for this find, RudiS:

We most probably have a 5./JG 27 machine here ; as for the precise variant, it's anybody's guess ;)

Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd June 2018 19:11

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
And for a change, fresh shots of Ju 88 H W.Nr. 460 066, Bernburg, May 1945 :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-pho...oAAOSwpoJbE1Pp
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-pho...QAAOSw9NhbE1J0

Ju 52/3m, El-Aouina, Tunis, May 1943:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMRA-WWII-PH...cAAOSw-mdbEFSM

Ju 52/3m, possibly LKS 11, Ergolding, September 1945:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-GI-phot...0AAOSwgStbErka

And again on offer this close-up of one of the very few Erla built Bf 109 G-10/R6 "Gelbe 9", of 3./JG 27, seen at Bad Lippspring in May 1945. The second photo fo this machine - with gun pods visible - is published in Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 146.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-ORIGINA...AAAOSwwwRbEb8A


Cheers
Marc

spektor 3rd June 2018 22:47

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Junkers 88 W.Nr.460066 is Ju 88 G-10.

Thank you Marc for post.

Marc-André Haldimann 6th June 2018 09:19

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spektor (Post 252871)
Junkers 88 W.Nr.460066 is Ju 88 G-10.

Thank you Marc for post.

Thanks for the correction, Spektor !


Cheers
Marc

Marc-André Haldimann 6th June 2018 09:37

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Bf 109 G, possibly Gerbini (?), Summer 1943. If location is confirmed, this might be, according to Jochen Prien, WNF built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 19 769, 6./JG 53 which was found at Gerbini Platz 9 with bomb damage, as in evidence on the rear fuselage.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Wr...IAAOSwRRZbFepg

Ju 88 A-4 W.Nr. 300 320 "PI+SX", I./KG 76, Foggia satellite airfield no 3 aka Gerbini, September 1943.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Ca...oAAOSwC~1bFazS

Ju 88 "F1+GK", 2./KG 76, possibly Foggia satellite airfield no 3 aka Gerbini, September 1943.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Sh...AAAOSwIhRbFayV

Me 410, III./ZG 1 (?), Italy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Bo...QAAOSw--xbFeYo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Bo...AAAOSwb39bFeVA
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Bo...AAAOSwWDBbFfLR

Fw 190
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-US...oAAOSwF25bFegI

Ju 88 G, He 111 H and Bf 110 G-4, Brunnthal (?), Fall 1945.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-Ju...sAAOSwJslbFePT

Cheers
Marc

Roger Gaemperle 6th June 2018 09:59

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks Marc.

The photo of Ju 88 G, etc. (last link in your post #1139) was not taken at Brunnthal but at Neubiberg.

Cheers,
Roger

ouidjat 6th June 2018 11:04

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 252981)
Bf 109 G, possibly Gerbini (?), Summer 1943. If location is confirmed, this might be, according to Jochen Prien, WNF built Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 19 769, 6./JG 53 which was found at Gerbini Platz 9 with bomb damage, as in evidence on the rear fuselage.
Cheers
Marc

Marc,
A lot of confusion.
19769 wasn't found at Satellite N°9 but at Satellite N°6.
Prien wrote "Rammacca" in his old book but Satellite N°6 was known as Gerbini-Torazzo (or Santo Martino for the Italians). Ramacca was Satellite N°12.
Next, whatever the place, 19769 was said to be registered in III./JG53; so exit 6./JG53.

Satellite N°9 was "Spina Santa".
All three airfields (6, 9, 12) got unpaved airstrip and no such constructions like the hangar we can see on this picture.

Some "5" coded machines everywhere, so no way to point a specific airfield. We can see - but I'm not that sure - a partial II. Gruppe band. Is the code White or Yellow?
Not even sure it's a G-6 (Tail wheel bay open)

Last Gerbini-Main had "1 medium and 1 small hangar' (deZeng)
... Or Comiso, better.

Cheers,
Franck.

Dénes Bernád 6th June 2018 11:07

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
A not directly related, nevertheless interesting, question, prompted by one of the photos seen here: when did the size of the unit code (in front of the fuselage cross) change from regular to small size?

Thanks, in advance.

Marc-André Haldimann 6th June 2018 12:24

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 252985)
Marc,
A lot of confusion.
19769 wasn't found at Satellite N°9 but at Satellite N°6.
Prien wrote "Rammacca" in his old book but Satellite N°6 was known as Gerbini-Torazzo (or Santo Martino for the Italians). Ramacca was Satellite N°12.
Next, whatever the place, 19769 was said to be registered in III./JG53; so exit 6./JG53.

Satellite N°9 was "Spina Santa".
All three airfields (6, 9, 12) got unpaved airstrip and no such constructions like the hangar we can see on this picture.

Some "5" coded machines everywhere, so no way to point a specific airfield. We can see - but I'm not that sure - a partial II. Gruppe band. Is the code White or Yellow?
Not even sure it's a G-6 (Tail wheel bay open)

Last Gerbini-Main had "1 medium and 1 small hangar' (deZeng)
... Or Comiso, better.

Cheers,
Franck.

Thanks for your insight, Franck.

My only valid pointer for Gerbini / Foggia as a possible airfield for this 109 are the two photos of the I./KG 76 Ju 88's certainly documented there in late September 1943.
Careful checking of the known "Gelbe 5" AND positive identification of the destroyed hangar in the background will give us - hopefully - a better clue.

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 6th June 2018 13:08

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Ju 87:
https://bwompa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://bwpxlw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WWII-Al...19.m1438.l2649

Ju 88:
https://bwpqvq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WWII-Er...19.m1438.l2649

Dénes Bernád 6th June 2018 16:24

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[quote=RudiS;252992]Ju 87:
https://bwpxlw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

Does anyone have more details/photos of that Stuka in a ditch?
I believe the photo was taken at Bayreuth-Bindlach.

Thanks,

ouidjat 6th June 2018 20:29

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 252988)
Thanks for your insight, Franck.

My only valid pointer for Gerbini / Foggia as a possible airfield for this 109 are the two photos of the I./KG 76 Ju 88's certainly documented there in late September 1943.
Careful checking of the known "Gelbe 5" AND positive identification of the destroyed hangar in the background will give us - hopefully - a better clue.

Cheers
Marc

You are welcome Marc,

... But Gerbini/Foggia ?... I do not understand.
Would like to see the Ju88s you're talking about.

;)

RudiS 7th June 2018 13:23

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
album with different a/c:
https://bwoamg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://0vxqdq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Photo-A...19.m1438.l2649

Von Alles 7th June 2018 20:42

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PN+GW : Latécočre 298 !!

RudiS 9th June 2018 16:22

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Album with different types:
https://0vwa6g.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/WW2-US-...19.m1438.l2649

S Sheflin 9th June 2018 21:10

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1 Attachment(s)
Greetings Rudi,
Thank you for your postings.
Regarding this photo




I believe that it illustrates Fw 190 G-3 (WNr. 160485) marked 22 red and St.Kz. VL+ZI, found abandoned at Fl.Pl. Metz-Frescaty, France.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

ouidjat 9th June 2018 23:14

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
It is, indeed, Metz-Frescaty.

Snautzer 13th June 2018 13:38

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  1. Me110 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-B...QAAOSw--xbFeYo
  2. Me110 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-B....c100005.m1851
  3. Me110 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-B....c100005.m1851

ChrisMAg2 14th June 2018 03:54

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Does the visible tail fin, not resemble more a Me410?

Stig Jarlevik 14th June 2018 13:27

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 252860)
And for a change, fresh shots of Ju 88 H W.Nr. 460 066, Bernburg, May 1945 :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-pho...oAAOSwpoJbE1Pp
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-pho...QAAOSw9NhbE1J0

Ju 52/3m, El-Aouina, Tunis, May 1943:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMRA-WWII-PH...cAAOSw-mdbEFSM

Ju 52/3m, possibly LKS 11, Ergolding, September 1945:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-GI-phot...0AAOSwgStbErka

And again on offer this close-up of one of the very few Erla built Bf 109 G-10/R6 "Gelbe 9", of 3./JG 27, seen at Bad Lippspring in May 1945. The second photo fo this machine - with gun pods visible - is published in Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 146.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-ORIGINA...AAAOSwwwRbEb8A


Cheers
Marc

Marc
These photos are no longer available. If you downloaded them can you put them up here please, or perhaps send them to me directly at sjarlevik@gmail.com?

Cheers
Stig

Steve Coates 14th June 2018 14:10

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E-Bay now seem to try and redirect you when looking at expired links to 'similar' active links, however, if you look at the blue strip running along the top of the page 'The listing you’re looking for is no longer available. Check out this similar item we found for you.' and click on the word 'listing' this will take you to the original listing.

Stig Jarlevik 14th June 2018 18:31

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks Steve :)

Happily you seem far more fluent in the intricacies of websites, including e-bay, then I ever will be....

Cheers
Stig

Karoband 14th June 2018 19:43

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pegasus123 (Post 252628)

Thank you, Steve. This means that if you hit "Angebot" in the eBay listings of post #1128 you can see the original listings.

I bring your attention to the third and last listing. There appears to be a second Me 262 hidden in the shadows of the hangar with possibly a red 7 on the nosewheel door. This, with the snow on the floor of the hangar, may indicate a date of late February or early March 1945.

Harry, thank you for posting these.

Jim Geens

Snautzer 15th June 2018 14:18

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
  1. Ar234 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-ar...YAAOSw1u5bIux3
  2. Fw190 https://www.ebay.com/itm/8x10-v-capt....c100005.m1851

RudiS 16th June 2018 16:26

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Fw 190:
https://0vu1xw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/LOT-OF-...19.m1438.l2649

Several photos of different types. Just a few examples:
https://0vxq0w.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://0vxjja.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://0vuuga.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://0vwtow.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/38-WW2-...19.m1438.l2649

ouidjat 16th June 2018 16:56

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hi,

Thanks very much for these gems Rudi.
One Bf109 of NAGr. Bromberg "Weisse 1" and one re-captured P-51 "Mustang !
Any idea for place?

Cheers,
Franck.


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