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Franek Grabowski 25th November 2007 23:42

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Saunders (Post 54818)
Franek - I would not in the least be offended if you called me Irish. Top 'o the 'mornin to ya!
Andy

You would not, but a number of your neighbours would be! I was in England.
And I may assure, that members of my family who were in France in 1940, would have been white hot, when called French.

Andy Saunders 26th November 2007 12:04

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
With all due respect, Franek, I don't think anyone has called them French or will call them French in this book.

Franek Grabowski 26th November 2007 13:39

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Well, someone already did, stating there were only six nations taking part in French Campaign.

Adam 26th November 2007 22:05

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
There were Poles who fought throughout the war, but Poland, as an independent nation, stopped fighting in 1939.

Franek Grabowski 26th November 2007 23:24

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Poland never surrendered if you did not know. Substantial part of Polish armed forces including most of the navy and air force evacuated from Poland and continued struggle under Polish colours, paid by a legal Polish government, based on agreements signed by the latter. Underground in Poland was largely founded and sponsored by the same government.

Adam 27th November 2007 02:37

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
The Polish military and underground, funded by a Polish government continued to fight, I'm not arguing that, but I am saying the Polish nation as an entity did not continue to fight.

Remnants - however substantial - of a defeated army that fights on in the service of its Allies doesn't equate to the idea that the nation fights on.

Franek Grabowski 27th November 2007 19:23

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Following your logic, Britain did not take part as an entity, because only a small part called BEF fought under French command.
Anyway, Great Britain recognised Poland as an entity, and I do not understand, why do you have any problem with that.

Adam 27th November 2007 22:01

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Britain as a nation fought - its population, economy, industry and government redirected itself to the idea of total war. For Poland that could not be the case post 11.39. And that's what I mean by an independent nation.

I'm not criticising Poland - far from it. I am saying that perhaps the author's omitted Poland from the list of nations simply because Poland, by 5.40 no longer existed as a true independent nation in the way in which the other six nations did.

Franek Grabowski 27th November 2007 22:53

Re: new book on air War 1940
 
Do you think Poles suntanned? I would say they were proportionally much more involved in total war than British. Of course it was nothing like industry, although there was some underground industry here, but rather other means, especially intelligence. Polish intel gathered information from virtually whole Europe, and actually most of information from agent networks available for Allies were from Polish sources.
That said I have no slightest idea, why Czechoslovakia and Poland were excluded from the book.

Jukka Juutinen 28th November 2007 20:19

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Poles must have also been the key combatant during the Winter War. And the "legal goverment" was a government of cowards, as all governments-in-exile are. Like it or not, Poland has been run over again and again. And will be run over again and again.


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