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Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
If I had to wager a guess III./JG 52 sounds like a probable candidate. Perhaps even I./JG 52.
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Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
On 11th Sept Uffz Alex ?erie (possibly Gerie) of 13/JG52 was reported missing east of Noverossisk in Bf109G-4 14938 yellow 2 , I think this location is too far south though. On the 9th Sept Fw. Anton Matusek in G-4 19347 yellow 9 and Uffz Ludwig Durodsky in G-4 yellow 13 both of 13/JG52 were reported missing location unknown. As another possibility ,but I do not know how close the location is, on the 30th Sept Oblt Emil Konrad in Bf 109G-6 of I/NAG2 19715 was reported missing following engine trouble in the area of Bol-Tokmak. I guess if an aircraft werknummer turns up this matter will be quickly resolved.
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Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hello Brian,
You can safely rule out all mentioned 13./JG 52 Messerschmitts. All above Slovak pilots have defected to the Soviet side (rtk. Anton Matúšek in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 19347, gelbe 9, and čtk. Ludovít Dobrovodský in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 16259, gelbe 13, on 9 September 1943 and čtk. Alexander Gerič in Bf 109G-4 WNr. 14938, gelbe 2, on 11 September 1943) and have "delivered" their aircraft to Russians intact. Matúšek and Dobrovodský have landed on a field near Novomalorossiyskaya while Gerič has landed on Timashevskaya airfield. Ota |
Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hi, Ota
Thanks for the information with regards to the Slovak pilots. I am going to update accordingly. Regards, Andreas B |
Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hi.
Updated list: Luftflotte 4: http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=121349 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=121237 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=108327 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=119810 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=119850 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=116442 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=105209 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=105210 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=105622 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=107879 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=105611 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=113248 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=108614 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=108616 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=104869 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=113129 Luftflotte 6: http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=121370 http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=113169 Regards, Andreas B |
Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hello Ota,
Thanks for the information like Andreas this is not my field , but identifying any missing airmen who has served their country always interests me, Regards Brian |
Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hey,
in my Documents i find WNR 16259 in http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...ighlight=16259 to other accident. Can I help you with this link ? |
Re: We need help in an identification of the pilot.
Hi
Yes, I also have this record, and it is not the only aircraft that seemingly has been lost as a total loss repeatedly. However, in this case I would suspect an erronous report by JG 52, and that the real WNr is 19259 or 19256. Has anyone got the NVM for this loss? Regards, Andreas B |
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@ Andreas Here are my loss detail on the Wnrs. mentioned by you in the previous posts. I hope it will add some information to your database. Bf 109G-6 WNr.15872 01.09.43 2./JG52 Fw. Helmut Kabisch (verm.), Luftkampf mit Il-2 - Absturz, Pl.Qu.8818 (10km SÖ Mospino) - 100% sw.15+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.15903 05.09.43 6./JG52 Oblt. Heinz Schmidt (Stkp) (verm.), Luftkampf mit Il-2 - Absturz, Kotelwa-Senkow (Pl.Qu. 41734) - 100% ge.7+− Bf 109G-6 WNr.19881 14.09.43 Stab/JG52 Fw. Gerhard Willmanns (verm.), Luftkampf mit 2 LaGG, SW Turkenowka - 100% ws.10+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.15972 14.09.43 1./NAGr.2 Oblt. Werner Lüchau (verm.), Luftkampf, Pl.Qu.3155 - 100% ws.2+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.15860 25.09.43 3./JG52 Uffz. Johann Sommer (verm.) (†), Luftkampf mit 4 Jägern, 3km Blagoweschtschenskoje - 100% ge.14+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.19715 30.09.43 1./NAGr.2 Oblt. Emil Konrad (verm.), Motorstörung, Bol.-Tokmak - 100% ws.2+ Bf 109G-4 WNr.19233 02.10.43 11./JG51 Uffz. Günter Nikolau (verm.), unbekannte Ursache, Raum Alexandria - 100% sw.3++ Bf 109G-4 WNr.16663 03.10.43 12./JG51 Lt. Gerd Hoffmann (verm.), Luftkampf, N Ssoloschino - 100% br.1++ Bf 109G-6 WNr.20400 07.10.43 6./JG52 Fw. Robert Schandlbauer (verm.), Luftkampf - Bauchlandung, Michoriw Rog (Pl.Qu.49321) - 100% ge.13+− Bf 109G-6 WNr.20658 08.10.43 3./JG52 Fw. Peter Schuhbauer (verm.), Luftkampf über See, N Taman (Pl.Qu.66622)- 100% ge.1+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.20758 08.10.43 7./JG52 Uffz. Heinz Martin (verm.) (†), Luftkampf mit Jäger, in die See N Kertsch - 100% sw.<1+~ Bf 109G-6 WNr.20666 12.10.43 1./JG52 Obgefr. Heinrich Denker (†), Luftkampf - Absturz, 30km Ö Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ws.8+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.15695 13.10.43 7./JG52 Uffz. Gottfried Wundke (verm.), Luftkampf, Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ws.2+~ Bf 109G-6 WNr.410016 13.10.43 9./JG52 Uffz. Karl-Otto Haack (verm.), Luftkampf, Nowo Saporoshje - 100% ge.12+~ Bf 109G-4 WNr.19971 15.10.43 6./JG52 Gefr. Jürgen Dinius (verm.) (†), Luftkampf, Pl.Qu.10111 - 100% ge.4+− Bf 109G-6 WNr.15835 27.10.43 1./NAGr.2 Uffz. Heinz Zähnel (†), unfreiwillige Bodenberührung - Absturz, N Sjewidschenko - 100% ws.8+ Bf 109G-6 WNr.15876 11.10.43 10./JG51 Uffz. Helmut Neu (verm.), Zusammenstoss in der Luft mit Bf109G-6 WNr.27 137, Pl.Qu.0632 (bei Newel) - 100% ws.5++ best regards, Tomislav |
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