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Franek Grabowski 16th November 2008 20:56
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by obdl3945 (Post 76727)
Okay... I stand corrected. I never claimed to be an expert on photography. I take it then, that that is a phenomenon which applies exclusively to colour film?
Yes. B&W photography is based on silver, so the most common problem is deterioration of base (paper or film). Another issue is improper development which leads to deterioration - fading away. All colour tricks are limited to film and filter combinations.

obdl3945 16th November 2008 21:23
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Franek...

Thanks for the explanation. One learns something new every day... :).

Regards...

Foute Man 16th November 2008 22:20
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Never expected more pictures would show up. Is there any chance the Ju88A is Kammhuber's aircraft?

Í think the digit is in green, because the RLM 24 is much darker shade then RLM 25 and in B&W would be become harder to see against a RLM 70/71 background.

The reason why there's only a I & III Gruppe logo represented in the shield is that KG 51 recieved a II Gruppe (with Ju88A) during spring 1940 (april)

groeten!!!

PS: I'm referring to the Heinkel and the Ju88A beside it, not the above Ju88A

Jim P. 16th November 2008 23:42
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Certainly the colors don't 'change' over time, but if there was any type of filtering used when the photo was taken, the resulting image may appear to show certain colors to be different to what they actually were with B&W photography. Jerry Crandall gave an illuminating demonstration of this at a seminar at an IPMS Nats a few years ago. (2004 @ Va.Beach?) Wish I could remember the particulars of the complete presentation, but in at least one case he clearly proved that a particular filter would make red appear as white. I would love to see him publish his research on this at some time. And we all know that different types of film can cause similar color shifts.

obdl3945 17th November 2008 01:41
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Hi, Jim...

Thanks for your posting. Your comments may go in part to explain what we see in the photo provided by Goran.

I imagine there could be many different reasons for a white or yellow I/D letter on a Geschwaderstab machine. I can't honestly say at this moment in time that I've seen any other examples, but perhaps others would be able to confirm otherwise.

Regards...

Foute Man 3rd December 2008 14:27
Re: info about emblem on he111 9K+AA Oberst Kammhuber
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 65584)
Not sure if this helps but I was in touch with Kammhuber's BF (Werner Luederitz) who confirms that 3 Jun 40, they were in a Ju 88 as well as 29 May 40 when they were hit by Flak over Dunkirk and crash-landed their Ju 88 at Sandhofen (I have a photo of the crash-lanbed Ju 88 on this day). No mention is it was 'AA' but Luederitz, after being returned 14 days later, was then shot down on 12 Aug 40 in another 'AA'
That would be the crash Oberst Dr. Johann-Volkmar Fisser did not survive?

Chris Goss 3rd December 2008 19:50
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Final crash was Fisser's


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