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Re: New Ju88 wreck found

Hi Guys,

I've seen better preserved Jumo 211 engines in the Norwegian mountains. When we unscrewed the top lid on one engine there came a lot of engine oil that looked like new, no corrosion inside etc. I've also seen large wing sections with intact paint when we turned them around.

/Mike

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

Yup!

Clearly, this wreck is legit...

Sadly, no other photos, but clearly it is not a photoshop creation.

My Me109 which was recoevered from Russia (sold it since) still had a lot of the paint on the bottom of the wings...

Mike

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

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Originally Posted by Larry deZeng (Post 88468)

Oxby, I'm on your side. If these photos are not "posed" or a PhotoShop creation, then why is there no evidence of any vegetation growing up through those piles of metal in the first two photos? After 60+ years, there would be trees, shrubs and weeds sprouting and growing right up through the piles. That stuff was found elsewhere, dug up and cleaned, and then piled where it is before being photographed. The only mystery is the intention of those who did so. Is it an attempt to deceive or was it simply an expedient to pile their findings temporarily in an untidy pile before being photographed?

I'm no mineralologist, agronomist or geomorphologist, but I think I have read that certain layers of permafrost have unusual preservative qualities and metal objects buried within these layers show little evidence of corrosion, even after decades. Could this be an aircraft that came down somewhere south of Murmansk? There's plenty of permafrost up there.

Larry

The wreckage has clearly been gathered together and put into one location for photographic purposes. The use of a silver birch sapling to prop up the tail is evidence of this. The engine, too, is at another location it would seem. Presumably recovered, partially cleaned/restored and covered over with a protective grey blanket. (I suspect the engine, when discovered, had not been thoughtfully covered over with a horse blanket by some itinerant Cossack!!!)

I have seen dozens of such photos of "recently discovered" wrecks in the former USSR (and elsewhere) that are of this genre.

I see nothing suspicious in these photos at all. Mind you, whoever has found this wreck - or knows where it is - will probably want a good few roubles to show and tell. Then more roubles to "buy" it, followed by even more roubles to actually get it out of whatever country it is in.

Having just returned from a recovery operation in Ukraine I am all too familiar with how these things work!

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

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Originally Posted by harrison987 (Post 88495)

Yup!

... clearly it is not a photoshop creation.

Mike

If it was, then the artist would be in demand from publishers!

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

For a very atmospheric, but I gather, quite spurious wreck (an apparently complete 109e belly landed in (now) deciduous woodland), see http://www.dekalogue.com/images/decommissioned.jpg

Best

ChrisG

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

hello,
I have to agree with Mr Olrog,
I have been a few years ago to Norway on expedition and have removed the carter of a jumo 211 , the oil was still there and it looks like the engine was putted there yesterday. even parts still laying with their color on.
the only thing was that fuselage parts in direct sun the color was less and faded.
those who are giving doubts to the reality of those pictures i have to asume they never did or visited wrecks.
Its also depending like a reader is telling the cercomstanses were its located .
if you would find it high in the mountains or high altitude it will be less coroded than close to the sea where salty winds will give a negative influence to the alu.
anyway , I know what i saw that time ....
kind reg
phil

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

Andy Saunders wrote in part:

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The wreckage has clearly been gathered together and put into one location for photographic purposes. The use of a silver birch sapling to prop up the tail is evidence of this. The engine, too, is at another location it would seem. Presumably recovered, partially cleaned/restored and covered over with a protective grey blanket.

Thanks, Andy. That's more or less what I thought was the most likely scenario on this. Dug up nearby, cleaned, piled and photographed. As everyone else has said, the preservation is remarkable. Long live permafrost!

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

Not even sure if it has been 'gathered together'. Seems the engine has been removed and stored/cleaned and protected.

The tail, electronics and main wheel are all in the forest. The pole has been use to push and support the fin so the swastika is visible.

By the condition of the tail and parts from the interior I would expect there not to be too much substantial remaining.

Have asked a few contacts on whether anything more is known about this one.

regards

Mark

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

is it me or is that engine definately not a jumo 211?

Re: New Ju88 wreck found

The photos all came to me in one lot...just assumed it was Jumo211 and part of the wreck. it was found at the same spot. Of course after looking closer, I would agree... :)

Mike