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Re: Trainbusting

Fantastic photo Kyrre.

Maybe I´m getting my snow and houses muddled up then :o

Although certain elements of Tormod´s photo still makes me think this is Norway rather than the Balkans.

Time I got back to Norge to refresh my memory! Although my girlfriend and I will be settling back there next year.

Hilsen Smithy.

PS - Kyrre, you would be the Kyrre from Modellers Underground would you?

Re: Trainbusting

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Originally Posted by Smithy

Indeed. Same Kyrre.

Agreed, certain elements are Norwegian. It's flat, very typical of the Jæren area. Some houses look very Norwegian, and I would say many houses don't look very Yugoslavian... at least not how I've come to "see" yugoslavian houses. But then these here stand out as Non-norwegian:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/10...d/beurail2.jpg

Cya over at mug. We need to discuss this settling-in-norway-thing.

K

Re: Trainbusting

Hi guys.

It is a raid by 19 sqn SAAF on 14/2/45 in the area of Slovenj Gradec
lead by Capt Geater.
The markings is standard for the SAAF and it was a MK X Beau.
Stefaan Bouwer

Re: Trainbusting

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Originally Posted by stefaan

Hi guys.

It is a raid by 19 sqn SAAF on 14/2/45 in the area of Slovenj Gradec
lead by Capt Geater.
The markings is standard for the SAAF and it was a MK X Beau.
Stefaan Bouwer

Cheers, Stefaan.
Can you confirm that Tormod's picture was taken during this raid as well?

Kyrre

Re: Trainbusting

I have a better copy that I got from our SAAF museum with the data I gave on the back.

I also have many SAAF Beaufighter photo's with the same markings and many can be seen in our book SAAF at War.
19 and 16 sqn had Beaufighters and formed part of the Balkan Air Force.
I believe the photo may be of Geater himself as I have not seen another a/c in front.
The other photo quoted of the beau attacking the Village is the well known one also featured in an issue of the Aeroplane magazine and was flown be Stevens.
Stefaan

Re: Trainbusting

Kyrre,
thanks for your answer. As you probably saw in my first post, I only took some educated guesses on the location either in south west Norway (outside Norway) or more north, but your information about the architechture and weather conditions may turn this to an Balkan "affair". BTW what is your source to your picture?

Regarding your question about Norwegian pilots attacking Norwegian soil, did I specify that anywhere?? And does the attack on Porsgrunn Mekaniske (shipyard) /ships there by 333 sqdr. on March 30th 1945 be included there?
http://www.porsgrunn.folkebibl.no/bi...anlig_k008.jpg

Today:
http://home.no.net/tormchri/web/porsgrunn.jpg
Taken from D/F "Skarfos" July 2005.

I got inspired by some nice diving pictures you made of a Ju52 wreck on another forum (sadly I doesn't have the link anymore) Here's a picture of the forward MG-copula of the Ju52 displayed at Gardermoen. (CA + JY, Wnr 6657)

http://www.ju88.net/exhibitions/ju52-7.jpg

Regards,
Tormod.

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Originally Posted by atckyrre

Sorry Tormod, I actually think this is from Yugoslavia. There are certain houses in the background that has an alpine feel to them, with rather tall buildings with sharp roofs.

I am from Stavanger in the Southwest. The typical houses of the area around Nærbø and Jæren would be more low and drawn out, while some of the houses in that pic seem to be quite large, more like they'd be in the East of Norway.
Nordlandshouses are higher and more narrow as Smithy said, but we're talking about 1000 km off when it comes to location.
Another thing is the snow. While 44/45 maybe was a cold winter you'll seldom see snow covering the area like you do in that picture. Once in a while, yes, but it is/was rare. Admittedly it WAS colder with more lasting snow in the beginning/mid last century.
Compare the pic to what you see in this one showing IIRC 16 Sqn SAAF Beaufighters busting trains etc in Yugoslavia early 1945.

What are your thoughts?

Regards,
Kyrre
Harstad, Norway.

Re: Trainbusting

Hi Tormod.
The Balkan picture was actually from the UK ministry of defense site. It belongs to IWM and can be found in several books about the Beaufighter. And now also in my album ;) . I got it by googling for "Beaufighter attack" and then clicking on the "picture" link on top of the resultpage.
IIRC during the Porsgrunn attack the Norwegians Løkken & Co in their Mosquito were acting as outriders and besides what the Mossies attacked the shipping and not shoreline installations. Well maybe they did but that was not the target.

When it comes to the railway bombings they were against a bridge at Flåm on the west coast IIRC and somewhere at the back of my head I remember it as being some time in 1944?

Thanks for the divepicture comments. I'll repost the Ju-52 pics in a different thread.

Kyrre

Re: Trainbusting

Thanks Stefaan for clarifying exactly where this is from. I could´ve sworn that looked like Norway :o

And Tormod, what a great photo from that 333 raid. Is that a still from the gun camera film which is on that video history of the Luftforsvaret during the War? Saw that in Norway and one of the volumes had some fantastic gun camera film from raids on shipping in Norwegian waters.

Smithy.

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Hello Smithy!

They're from the Porsgrunn Library Photo-base, but the Pictures are most probably copied from the Norwegian Defence Museum.

The first picture is from the attack on Menstad Harbours outside central Skien.

http://www.porsgrunn.folkebibl.no/cg...t=a&spraak=eng

http://www.porsgrunn.folkebibl.no/cg...t=a&spraak=eng

http://www.porsgrunn.folkebibl.no/cg...t=a&spraak=eng

regards,
Tormod Christiansen.

Re: Trainbusting

Brilliant photos Tormod!

Those Mossie FBVIs certainly pack a hell of a wallop :D

And back to the Beaus, I found this link which has some good pics:

http://www.oldcmp.net/beaufighter_1.html

There´s apparently a monument to a Kiwi Beaufighter crew somewhere in Norway which I am keen to visit when I´m back in Norway but I can´t remember where it is.