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CJE 5th November 2013 12:46

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by Nick Beale (Post 174890)
Actually, if you look back, the use of quotations as chapter headings has been one of their "signatures" back as far as 1982's Jet Planes of the Third Reich. Lesser authors such as myself have borrowed the technique since.

I fully agree.
It's a brilliant teaser.
When I came to deal with the 8th AF early operations, my chapter title was: "Indians and Big Cars" (Dicke Autos).

CJE 5th November 2013 12:52

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by John Beaman (Post 174787)
CJE, I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here, but, "hair-raising" means really scary in English. I am not sure that would be appropriate for a title like this. ;)

Ask US crews what they thought of the 900 km/h-passes at their B-17 boxes!
Were they not scary?

CJE 5th November 2013 13:01

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by Richard T. Eger (Post 174904)
I happen to disagree with this approach. A table of contents should be a guide as to where to find what.

You can have a "quote" as a chapter heading and a sub-title to tell your readers what you will talk of.
That's the way I have been working for years and my readers like it. It's the strong brand image of my magazine which is the largest selling aero magazine in France (hopefully not for that alone...).

Chris

FalkeEins 5th November 2013 13:29

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by CJE (Post 174923)
the largest selling aero magazine in France (hopefully not for that alone...).

Chris

A recent issue "reviewed" for non-French speakers here

http://falkeeins.blogspot.co.uk/2013...ws-stands.html

Richard T. Eger 5th November 2013 14:13

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
Dear Nick, Chris, and FalkeEins,

Nick, yes, I plumb the depths of information related to Me 262 manufacture and construction details. I have very little interest in the day to day fighting, although overall strategy is of interest to me.

Chris, at least you provide informative subtitles, perhaps a good compromise. A catchy title or quote, to me, raises a bit of a yellow flag making me wonder whether the chapter content can be relied upon as factual. Certainly, we'd have that doubt in our minds with the double whammy of fanciful book and chapter titles in Dorr's book. It is sort of "If the author can't present his work in a professional style, how much actual research went into it?" We are also familiar with finding errors in books which then makes us question the voracity of the work as a whole - the worm in the apple sort of thing.

FalkeEins, thank you for sharing the two reviews. They are direct and went to the meat in the issues.

The whole issue of book and chapter titles and magazine article titles can be looked at another way. I log into a binder every book I buy. Entries are listed by the author, title, publisher, and date. If I know the author as knowledgeable, that helps, and the opposite is also true. Titles of books on the Me 262 generally are brief and to the point, actually making one a bit more reliant on the author's credibility, as the titles are virtually all the same. Books where the Me 262 is only a part, have more varied titles and these are more important. Here are a number of examples where the title is informative and direct:

Der Fliegerhorst Neubiberg: Im Spiegel der deutchen Luftfahrtgeschichte

The Engineering of Flight: Aeronautical Engineering Facilities of Area B, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio

Nest of Eagles: Messerschmitt Production and Flight-Testing at Regensburg, 1939-1945

Die Illusion der Wunderwaffen: Die Rolle der Düsenflugzeuge und Flugabwehrraketen in der Rüstungspolitik des Dritten Reiches

Flugzeug Fahrwerk

German Guided Missiles of the Second World War

The Alsos Mission

The History of German Aviation: Willy Messerschmitt - Pioneer of Aviation Design

Flugerprobungsstellen bis 1945: Johannisthal, Lipezk, Rechlin, Travemünde, Tarnewitz, Peenemünde-West

Luftwaffe Over Czech Territory

Okay, "Nest of Eagles" is a bit flamboyant, but the rest of the title is descriptive enough to have an idea of what the book is all about. When it comes to magazine articles, though, some of the titles are off the wall and, if you tried to create a useful index of them, you'd be forced to add your own title to some of them to know what the article actually covered, which is not really the official article title, leaving you with a conundrum. As with the above sample books, a good descriptive article title is important.

Regards,
Richard

John Beaman 5th November 2013 22:40

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
If I may add a comment, (BTW I like the "SS Jets", sounds like a Mel Gibson movie). Publishers have a LOT of control over things, more than most authors would like. This includes not only photos and maps, but titles and table of contents. It is not always up to the author(s).

AndreasB 5th November 2013 23:01

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by John Beaman (Post 174937)
(BTW I like the "SS Jets", sounds like a Mel Gibson movie).

Happy to co-operate on the movie script. I am thinking of Tarantino to direct, Scarlett Johansson as the love interest, Hayden Cristensen as the SS Jet pilot, Ralph Fiennes as the Uebernazi in command of the SS Jets, and Joaquim de Almeida as the ruthless, get the job done, can't make an omelett without breaking some eggs USAAF squadron commander.

It's gonna be huge.

All the best

Andreas

Richard T. Eger 6th November 2013 00:04

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
If you can't lick 'em, join 'em. Such short memories. It's already been done. You don't remember "Red Tails"??? Bad case of amnesia here all around.

And as long as we're in a playful mood, name the movie where the jet factories at Posenleben and Schweinhafen were attacked in 1943. It was a good movie, but had its facts juxtapositioned.

Regards,
Richard

AndreasB 6th November 2013 12:40

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
You had me worried for a moment, until I read this review:

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San Francisco Chronicle
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Amy Biancolli
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What's missing is any hint of realism. There's no grit to it anywhere.
Grit, that's what Tarantino will give it. And expletives, lots of expletives.

All the best

Andreas

Paul Thompson 6th November 2013 15:55

Re: "Fighting Hitler's Jets: The Extraordinary Story of the American Airmen Who Beat the Luftwaffe and Defeated Nazi Germany", by Robert F. Dorr
 
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Originally Posted by Richard T. Eger (Post 174941)
And as long as we're in a playful mood, name the movie where the jet factories at Posenleben and Schweinhafen were attacked in 1943. It was a good movie, but had its facts juxtapositioned.

Hello Richard,

That was "Command Decision" with Clark Gable in the leading role, wasn't it?

Regards,

Paul Thompson


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