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Brian 28th January 2016 13:06

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
OK, Nick, let's call a truce!

Just to reiterate, I did NOT know if the story was true (to me, it seemed feasible), that's why I asked the question! And apologies for not perceiving your humour!

I won't take it personally!

Cheers
Brian

Leendert 28th January 2016 13:11

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Brian,

A reference to your question here: http://www.leninimports.com/rudolf_h...he_royals.html

Scroll down to "Several sources have claimed..."

Unfortunately no clarification of who or what those sources may have been other than an officer named McCowen.

Even if the attempt or executions have taken place, then I guess we'll never know.

Regards,

Leendert

Nick Hector 28th January 2016 13:23

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Brian,

Now that we have a truce (hope you liked my assistance on the recent U-2/Po-2 threads that we both contributed to, by the way. Given in all good faith)

How feasible does this equation sound to you:

Foolish, or perhaps unscrupulous imagination + plot of the movie "the eagle has landed" + plus alcohol - winston churchill + Rudolf Hess = made up BS story that people should know better to believe in....

...Because that was what was going through my mind when I first responded.

...Just putting it out there. Again, in good faith this time round.

Stephen M. Fochuk 28th January 2016 16:53

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Nick,

This goes beyond the type of question like, why is the sky blue?

Stephen

Brian 28th January 2016 16:59

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Hi Nick

And I bet you don't believe in Father Christmas or fairies, either!

Leendert's reference (thanks Leendert) reveals:

"Several sources have claimed that Hess was the target of an assassination attempt while at Mytchett Place. According to a former army intelligence officer named John McCowen, the three would-be killers were German and arrived by parachute near Luton Hoo on the night of 28 May 1941. After being captured and interrogated, the trio revealed that they had expected to find Hess at the London Cage at Cockfosters, and to obtain help from Abwehr agents already in Britain. They were later executed without trial at the Tower of London. Predictably there is no record of any such agents being captured in 1941, or executed, and the facts seem highly unlikely."

Yes, Nick, thanks for your contribution to my Russian enquiry - hopefully you'll help further if possible.

Cheers
Brian, the whinging pom!

Nick Hector 29th January 2016 04:55

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Brian, if I see you wandering around an Aussie beach with your trousers rolled up, a woollen waistcoat and a four-knotted hankie on your head I'll buy you a beer.

Stephen, I don't get what you're saying. I was speculating at the source of such a tall tale and remain convinced that this part of the quote "Predictably there is no record of any such agents being captured in 1941, or executed, and the facts seem highly unlikely"
...says it all. I think it's fiction, as per my last post and I am done discussing it. I have already ended up hurting the feelings of one nice person so I'd prefer to leave it where we've brought it.

Stephen M. Fochuk 29th January 2016 16:41

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
No worries, Nick. It was on a note that I had but have since lost it. Though, enough has been revealed already in the posts that I will let a sleeping dog lie.

edwest2 30th January 2016 03:56

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
What may or may not have happened may never be known. I think that's fair. In some cases, actual, unbiased research does turn things up. I've found the internet can be a reasonable place but such reasonable places are few.

I still can't figure out the Fall of France, even though much has been written about it.




Ed

Leendert 30th January 2016 11:49

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
For both believers and non-believers alike, a far more detailed report of McCowen's is given in the book "Rudolf Hess. The Uninvited Envoy" by James Leasor.

Go to books.google.com and call up the title. Then type McCowen in the little search field on the left and if everything goes fine, p. 169-171 are displayed.

Here you can read what the initiial question of this thread is/was about and it is not meant as an opinion that the story is true or not.


Regards,

Leendert

Brian 30th January 2016 17:19

Re: Rudolf Hess May 1941
 
Hi Nick

Next time I see a bleached-blonde dreadlocked, Hawaiian tee-shirted guy with a surf board walking past my house, I certainly won't buy him a beer - it might be you!! Or someone escaped from the local institution! Anyway, I live some 30 miles from the sea! But, be warned, we do have a young grandson living not far from you - a visit could be arranged!!

Let's leave it here - I've been taught my lesson - don't ask questions unless you know the answer first! OK?

Brian, the whinging pom


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