Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

Hi Roger,

Sorry for the delay, had to find this Flugbuch. Here are some scans that may be of interest to you.

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

Hello Charles, Steve, Nick, Junker et al,

Since out of 60 reports for I./SG 151 only one was a Fw 190 A-5, it is unlikely that I./SG 151 was the unit to which Fw 190 F-8 'White 48' belonged to. Several other Fw 190 that carried codes with a virtually identical font / style as on 'White 48' were A-subtypes.

If "Yellow 37" at Varloese was indeed a bird of 14./SG 151, 'White 48' was definately not from 14./SG 151. Steve, are you sure that it was not 'White 37'? I only have that one photo from the Polish book and cannot really be sure about the color. But I assume there exists several other photos where it is clear that the color was not white and most likely yellow.

On the other hand, there is no F-subtype in the EJG 1 list that Charles provided.

I assume the unit to which 'White 48' belonged to was either EJG 1 or SG 151 as there was no other larger training / replacement unit in the North as far as I know. If so, I tend more towards EJG 1.

The information regarding 14./SG 151 is also interesting to me since I own a control stick from a Fw 190 G-3, W.Nr. 160896 that was once with KG 51, then SKG 10 and finally 14./SG 151. Since SKG 10 operated at night, it may well be one of the Fw 190s at Vaerlose with flame shields above the exhausts. Is there a book where photos of the 190 at Vaerlose were published. So far, I have not been able to find a picture of W.Nr. 160896. It must have survived the war as the control stick was removed by an American soldier. Maybe it was found at Schleswig or Vaerlose (although that as far as I know was in the British zone).

Hello Vince,

Thanks for the scans of your uncle's logbook. He flew with 14./EJG 1 in the South of Germany. So, not the unit to which 'White 48' belonged to. But the entries regarding the Me 262 and Do 335 inspection at Riem are very interesting and not something I have seen before.

Thank you all.

Roger

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

PS: Attached is a photo of yet another Fw 190 that features a very similar tactical code like 'White 48' found at Lippstadt.

Does anybody know more about this particular aircraft? It may help identify the unit of 'White 48'.

Roger

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

The 'White 48' was found at Lippstadt, which is located between Dortmund and Bielefeld, some 50km east of the Ruhr area.

Neither EJG 1 nor SG 151 were ever based in that area, the owner of this aircraft must have been a completely different unit.

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

"Neither EJG 1 nor SG 151 were ever based in that area, the owner of this aircraft must have been a completely different unit."

But aircraft are mobile (a big problem for historians!), so it could have come to Lippstadt from just about anywhere.

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

As far as I remember, "white 25" belonged to one of the Erg.JGr., most probably West.

Best

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

2 from Grove and 1 from Vaerlöse and a Flugbefehl..

Junker

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

Hello Gerhard, Nick, Schlageter and Junker,

Thank you all for your thoughts.

Gerhard, I noted as well that Lippstadt is not that close to the area Berlin or Flensburg. But I could not find another larger replacement unit that was active in 1945 in the area of Lippstadt. In addition, several other Fw 190 with almost identical styles of the tactical markings were found around Berlin, Flensburg, South of Denmark. Therefore my conclusion was that 'White 48' probably came from the North of Germany, but was flown for whatever reason to Lippstadt before the end of the war.

Schlageter, interesting. Erg.JGr. West was only active until Nov44 and therefore was probably not the unit to which 'White 48' and the others found at the end of the war belonged to as I doubt that they would not have been reassigned to other units between Nov44 an May45. Nevertheless, interesting to see that another replacement unit used very similar tactical markings.

Junker, thank you very much for the pictures. The font type is slightly different from the one on 'White 48' and the others I listed earlier, which would support my believe that it was rather 1./EJG 1 than SG 151. Good to know that 14./SG 151 used White codes.

Roger

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

I can remember that there was also an Einsatzstaffel/EJG 1.
About Fw 190A-8 960233 white 7 found at Bad Aibling (former 50 ?), could it be a plane from this staffel or from another one in EJG 1 (but which ?) ?

Re: EJG 1 1945: Which Staffel flew Fw 190, which Bf 109?
 

I think I found another hint that the correct unit was probably 1./EJG 1:

Fw 190 A-8, W.Nr. 580400, White 2 had a very similar font type of its tactical marking.
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/mombeek1.jpg

While the aircraft is generally associated with 5./JG 4 according to online sources, it was mentioned in ULTRA reports: on 6 December 1944 it was assigned to I./EJG 1. It left EJG 1 again two months later on 8 February 1944. My theory is that the photo was taken while the aircraft was with EJG 1. It may have been with JG 4 before (or more unlikely after) it spent time with EJG 1 and that it is now generally associated with JG 4. Other Fw 190 of 5./JG 4 had white codes of a different font type and with black outline.

Roger