Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Good evening VtwinVince,

the websites of Safarik and Gleize indicate 3 WW1 kills for Alfred Müller.
But Johannes Mathews quite clearly says 2, both scored on the Eastern Front.

Alfred Helm's WW1 seem to have been scored as an observer. The third was on 25Sep1916. Do you know the dates for the first two ?

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Hi Michael,

Details on Helm are sketchy, perhaps the 'drome can help pin these down as well.

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Good evening,

Friedrich Vollbracht is the oldest scorer ever, isn't he ?

Born February 1887,
last kill June 1940,
aged 53 years and four months.

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

I think so, by quite a wide margin.

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Good evening VtwinVince,

I wonder if it's possible to prove who has scored over the longest period of time.
Alfred Lindenberger who this thread is about has 26 years, 27 years if observer kills are included.
Alfred Helm has 26 years if observer kills are included, maybe 27 years if he has scored a kill in 1915 which we don't know of.
Harry von Bülow-Bothkamp could only compete in the very unlikely case that he has scored a WW2 kill in 1943 or later.

Cheers,

Michael

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

I think the outer limits are about 27 years. Other notables such as Robin Olds and Stanley Vincent are 'only' in the low twenties, although I think Vincent's claims are not confirmed.

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Good morning VtwinVince,

Robin Olds has 23 years.
Stanley Vincent was new to me, thanks for the info. He has 24 years.
I'll add him to my list of scorers in both World Wars.

Have a good start into a pleasant new week,

Michael

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

Stanley Vincent has confirmed kills in both conflicts, though there are some from WWII which are not. I have never researched that, so not sure if this is substantiated or not.
Another both wars killer was Marcel Haeglen with a total of 24 IIRC.
Numerous pilots were veterans of both wars, though not scored nor not necessarily served in aviation. Eg. G/C Mumler, WWII ace, was in the army during WWI. Acdre Rayski flew ops in WWI, Polish-Bolshevik war (not sure Polish -Ukrainian war), and WWII, but never scored.

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

The correct spelling is Marcel Claude Haegelen. The order of the given names is different from source to source but I agree with the tombstone. He has 22 kills in WW2 and 1 kill in WW1.
http://www.as14-18.net/Haegelen

Re: Alfred Lindenberger - 28 September 1944
 

It's the other way round
22 claims WW 1
1 claim WW 2
Stig