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yogybär 20th June 2006 14:01

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
encarta.msn.com says

"Map of Beltsi [Bălţi], Moldova",

so Beltsy and Balti is the same. FULL STOP :p .

Anyway, there is another place called Balta ca. 150km W of our Balti, but definitely this was not the target of german Reccons by then. So, the AF of "B" was the one of Balti imho. Or maybe Botosani, but atm I don't know wether this was soviet territory by 31.05.44.

in June 1941, 55.IAP with a well-known guy called Pokrshkin was based in... Beltsi aaaah Balti. He came back 3 years later... and now the circle is closed ;) .

Andrey Dikov 20th June 2006 15:19

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
>Map of Beltsi [Bălţi], Moldova",

>so Beltsy and Balti is the same. FULL STOP

Na, na, na.. not so easy. :)

As far as I see [Bălţi] - is the transcription. I suppose "ă" reads as "e" and "ţ" reads as "ts", "ц". So its just a true trascription.

Indeed as far as I know Romanians and local jews called the place as Balts=Бэлц.

Bălţi = Бэлци. Beltsy = Бельцы.

Anyway that was a Russian town, at least in 1944, so it called Beltsy. And Kishinyov is Kishinyov.

Dénes Bernád 20th June 2006 17:08

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey Dikov
As far as I see [Bălţi] - is the transcription. I suppose "ă" reads as "e"

No. "ă" reads more like "oe", or "ö", like Schröder.

Anyhow, Bălţi and Balta are different towns. Beltsy is calledBălţi in Rumanian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey Dikov
Anyway that was a Russian town, at least in 1944, so it called Beltsy.

No. In 1944, that city - along with Bessarabia - was part of Rumania, so the Rumanian name was the official one. Things, of course, changed rapidly, so from 1945 the official name reverted to the Russian one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrey Dikov
And Kishinyov is Kishinyov.

Almost. :)
Kishinyov in English transliteration is actually Kishinev.

Here is the map I drew, published in my book on the Rumanian air force, where many dual (or triple) names are listed, including Beltsy/Bălţi.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/189...iasmall5xn.jpg

Dénes Bernád 21st June 2006 19:49

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
Talking of Beltsy/Bălţi, here is a photo of a MiG-3 captured in that area in 1941, being hauled away:

http://www.og12a.de/soldat51a.jpg

I am wondering which VVS unit might had this fighter belonged to?

karlenko 22nd June 2006 18:34

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
right map
http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/files/Karlenko/YUF.jpg

Dénes Bernád 23rd June 2006 06:21

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
To add yet another pair of photos taken in the same area, here is the burning wreck of a Ju 52, reportedly destroyed on 'Balti' airfield.

http://www.fotobethge.de/bilderebay/L14066-8.jpg
[Source: eBay]

P.S. To Admin., I suggest to split this topic in two.

Dénes Bernád 23rd June 2006 19:46

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
This MiG-3 was reportedly found also on Balti airfield.

http://www.fotobethge.de/bilderebay/L12066-43.jpg
[Source: eBay]

yogybär 26th June 2006 00:31

Re: Who shot down G. Barkhorn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád
Talking of Beltsy/Bălţi, here is a photo of a MiG-3 captured in that area in 1941, being hauled away:

http://www.og12a.de/soldat51a.jpg

I am wondering which VVS unit might had this fighter belonged to?

55.IAP incl. A.I.Pokryshkin was there on 22-06-41. 4., 146., 8.IAP were also in this district, but different AF's.

It is well possible that some MiG's never left transport boxes before Axis captured them.


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