Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.3 Ca.2330 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/32483675574...0AAOSw07dhahh4


Are any of the units which flew Ca.2330 known ?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.1 Ca.480 at:



https://www.ebay.it/itm/393753733799...QAAOSwNDVhqMcC


and two Caproni Ca.3 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/393753733082...wAAOSwt59hqMb3


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.3 4058 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/185255313008...YAAOSwrUNh4GET


At one time this machine served with 6 Squadriglia,but not necessarily at the time shown on the photo.So can any assist in deciphering the name of the captain sitting in the cockpit?


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.5 Ca.11649 in the company of a US DH.4 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/30432769662...0AAOSwK~5h7IUe


The seller has further photos both of the Ca.5 and Salmson 2 A2 of an American unit at:


https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item...+Army&_sacat=0


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.2 Ca.1248 of 4 Squadriglia - a total write off


https://www.ebay.it/itm/205004552136...kAAOSwdrZm7o8f



Also Caproni C.3 Ca.2313 unit unknown.


https://www.ebay.it/itm/205004555104...EAAOSwTaBm7pBg



The author also has other photos of Caproni aircraft


https://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_dkr=...1&_nkw=caproni



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Caproni Ca.4 Ca.5352



https://www.ebay.it/itm/356399563477...4AAOSw-fZnaEvB


The same seller has a photo of a Farman MF.14


https://www.ebay.it/itm/356399591121...Bk9SR4yeo5__ZA



Also from the same seller numerous photos of Italian interwar aircraft


https://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_dkr=...litare%209x6cm



Regards & Merry Christmas,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebayi a photograhed of an interestingly marked Caproni Ca.3


https://www.ebay.it/itm/396093411356...Bk9SR7zpqvqGZQ



Possibly serialled Ca.4176, although other another serial number is certainly plausible.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo captioned as a C.E.P. 2,which is quite likely. SFA No.11 does leave open other possibilities however. But I wouldn't personally feel able to identify the aircraft by its engines.


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/306025104065...AAAOSwiyFnfQk2



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Nice find Clint!

The French Capronis are end endless problem to me.
Things are not made any easier with author's who should have researched the stuff often resort
to guesswork as I see it.

So time for me to start guessing as well.... :)

It seems to me like the Ca.1 and Ca.3 were ordered in the same number ranges, meaning that if
the numbers built in France (bought in Italy) are correctly given the French built Ca. 1 should be
No 1 - 14
The Ca.3 should thus be
No 15 - 50 (or possibly 59)
The imported Italian Ca.1 and Ca.3 were
No 101 - and up
The imported Italian Ca.5 were
No 501 - and up

The so called Ca.3 No 502 in Soltan/Davilla on page 134 is of course a Ca.5
Since I have yet to see a single French built Ca.5 (as claimed by S/D) is there really any
proof of that?

I am sure you have opinions on my ramblings here Clint. What do you think?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photos Caproni
 

Stig,


As my sources are likely to be those used by yourself, I am tempted to just agree with the information you have provided.But anyway,since we're guessing...:)


My obvious concern is when we see machines like No.36 described as a CEP 1B2 in D&S. Could be. I certainly can't tell from the photo. This is why in my last post I suggested that it was at least possible that No.11 is a CEP 2 B2. Wildly speculative,but given the failure of the 1B2 due to being underpowered,might it be possible the the original 1B2 order was higher than 14 and that following cancellation,machines nearing completion were completed with the original SFA number and 2 B2 machines took some of the numbers of the canceled 1B2s,thus meaning No.36 for example is not an error on the part of D&S and that No.11 is a 2 B2... Like I say,speculation.


I see wisely Albin Denis has numbers 1 - 61 as CEP X. Very prudent. The only hope here is that new material is published it would appear.But note this from Luigino Caliaro at https://www.key.aero/article/caproni...ultimate-guide



'At least 90 aircraft were constructed under licence by REP, 60 of them CEP 1 Bn2 examples with rotary engines and 30 comprising CEP 2 Bn2 models using Isotta Fraschini powerplants. In February 1916 these tri-motors were assigned to the newly formed Escadrille CEP 115, part of Groupe de Bombardement (GB) 1. Based at Nancy-Malzéville, the unit flew its maiden combat mission on 22 June 1916. CEP 130 was formed during August 1917 and assigned to GB 2, which also incorporated CEP 115 in March 1918.' Different again,and from a reputable author.




Regards,


Clint