Re: JU88 "4D+HN" 5/KG30 missing 29 Sep 41
 

My apologize to mistake 3806 against 3306. This plane never be found in any soviet documents as captured and salvaged.
Plane crashed on 13.2.43 was salvaged from Klimovka bay, where it landed 29.9.41. Alas, there is no trace of Wr.Nr. in soviet documents, AFAIK. But still, these documents may be found if one start to search it through archive. I know, there is interrogation report of prisoned crew, but not seen it with my own eyes.

Re: JU88 "4D+HN" 5/KG30 missing 29 Sep 41
 

Hi IgorrB

First of all my apologies for perhaps prolonging this topic beyond necessity, but I confess it interests me, even if it may border on trivia for many of our members.

Since I cannot even approach Ed's skill with regard to visuals on Ju 88s I cannot make any comments to what he says.

However, just to get things 100% straight, since you at one point state "Alas, there is no trace of Wr.Nr. in soviet documents".
If WNr 3306 did not end up in Soviet hands, it is perfectly understandable there are no traces of that aircraft in Soviet files.
But does this also include WNr 5039?
If Soviet records don't mention either WNr 3306 or 5039 how was the ID actually made? When Valtonen published his book back in 1997 he must have been quite certain it was WNr 3306 which the Soviets captured and not 5039. Why this change?

However if the Soviet records do mention WNr 5039 then I would say the ID is pretty conclusive.

Personally I don't believe the photos have been "doctored" and what we are looking at is 4D+RN but is it WNr 3306 or 5039? I am still not convinced....sorry....:o

Cheers
Stig

Re: JU88 "4D+HN" 5/KG30 missing 29 Sep 41
 

German docs say that 3306 was lost 16.09.41 and 5039 lost 29.9.41. Soviet docs say about plane salvaged at Klimovka bay where it downed 29.9.1941. There is interrogation report of crew with names of 5039's crew. I can't say why Valtonen mistaken with numbers. His work has many little errors like that. There was hard to find good soviet data back in 1997.

Re: JU88 "4D+HN" 5/KG30 missing 29 Sep 41
 

Thanks Igorr B

Looks like the verdict is tipping over towards WNr 5039.
Does all our Ju 88 experts now agree with that?

Cheers
Stig

Re: JU88 "4D+HN" 5/KG30 missing 29 Sep 41
 

Hi!

In Valtonen's book:

• the Soviet data is from Juri Rybin's Russian archives research.
• Luftwaffe loss data is from Matti Salonen. He might know more of this?

Cheers,
Kari