Re: Ju 86 P loss(es) on 15 April 1941 in Ukraine
 

The pilot was supposed to fire a short burst into the left, working engine - that is, it would be shot down. A long time ago, I read this information somewhere and that is how I remembered it.


It is very interesting to keep two Germans in the prison in Rivne for over 2 months. The Russians developed some of the photos from the camera, which was not damaged. They knew that these were "they were not cadets from the aviation school in Krakow", who accidentally got lost while flying their "Ju 88" - this was supposed to be, according to the Germans, the version of the plane with a crew of four. Two members of the crew "Ukrainian and Russian earlier parachuted".

This version was given by the Germans to the Russians who questioned them. The Russians, however, did not send the spies back to Moscow, but kept them in a prison in Równo until June 25, from where they "miraculously" escaped. The Germans entered Równo on June 28, 1941. Three days later.

A very interesting story. It seems that one of the Germans was then recruited by the NKVD's shallow intelligence to work for the Russians, and both were intentionally left behind to facilitate their return to their own. Prisoners from Równo were evacuated to the east before the Germans entered on June 28, 1941. An interesting spy game is emerging? I emphasize that this is pure speculation!

The Russians probably recruit at least one German and attempt to use it for their own intelligence purposes? I wonder what the counterintelligence work of the Germans looked like?


R.
mirekw

Re: Ju 86 P loss(es) on 15 April 1941 in Ukraine
 

Hello Mirek
Thanks a lot for the information!

There were at lest some cases of recruitment attempts of captured pilots of JG 5 up north, but in the known cases "spies" reported their "commitments" to their superiors immediately after their returns to their units. They were transferred to other fronts.

There was also at least one case in which a Finnish fighter pilot was recruited, but he also reported his "commitment" immediately to his superior and was transferred to the Home Front.

Juha

Re: Ju 86 P loss(es) on 15 April 1941 in Ukraine
 

There were many such cases during the Second World War. In the summer of 1941, one of the Hungarian pilots taken prisoner turned over to the Russians, who then transferred him to Hungary and died there in a fight with Hungarian gendarmes.



The Germans recruited Russians en masse and then transferred them to the Soviet side. The Russians recruited similarly massively civilians, incl. Poles (before June 22, 1941) or later, to later transfer them to the enemy's side. It was similar with the German soldiers, whom the Russians recruited and then fought on their side. Normal espionage war on both sides. The Russians won and the Germans unconditionally capitulated with the burnt and destroyed Berlin.


An absolutely interesting case of those two Germans who, three days before the capture of Równe (Rivne), are miraculously released from prison, despite the fact that the Russians know that they are German air spies, and this is also happening after June 22, when the war in full in progress. There are no such cases, unless NKVD intelligence intervenes?
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mirekw