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Further to the Ju 87 D W.Nr. : thanks to Eric Duda, the grand son of Vaughan Pitman, who scanned his photos and established the website, I have a confirmation the W.Nr. is 130503 indeed.

Cheers
Marc

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Good Grief

Have to change my name to Eagle Eye from now on.....;)

Cheers
Stig

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Ju 88 G-1 WNr.712373 3C+FR 7./NJG4
Bf 110 G-4 W.Nr. ? 3C+DR 7./NJG4
FW 190 A-8 W.Nr.171683 gelbe1
Ju 88 G-1 W.Nr.713521 3C+MR 7./NJG4https://vaughanpitman.com/2018/01/18...89ea32f87f/438


Juvincourt airfield France

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Hi there Gang,

Some new photos from the American Air Museum in Britain website:

Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 413 803 "Weisse 7", Ofw. Horst Schulze, 5./JG 11 shot down in the St-Quentin area, 25 August 1944; the tail from this machine is seen here at Clastres, France, 2 September 1944:
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/1420
http://147084544c678448852d-ddcc5320...254.1483039646

Bf 110 G-4, III./NJG 4, Juvincourt, Autumn 1944:
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/34284

The same Bf 110 G-4 with a Ju 88 A and Ju 88 G-1's in the background, possibly III./NJG 4, Juvincourt, Autumn 1944:
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/34285
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/sit...dia-34285.jpeg


Ar 96, Fw 58 and French LeO, possibly from I./JG 105, Chartres, Autumn 1944.
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/34056
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/sit...dia-34056.jpeg

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/34057
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/sit...dia-34057.jpeg

Cheers
Marc

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And the last one for today:

Me 410 A-3 W.Nr. 170 134 "7A+EH", 1.(F)/AGr. 121, Villacoublay, 18 August 1944. http://www.americanairmuseum.com/sit...dia-34320.jpeg

Cheers
Marc

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Much appreciated, Marc. Information compliled from different ULTRA messages: 170134, 7A+EH at Guyancourt for repairs on 20.05.44; reported on strength of 1.(F)/121 on 01.06.44; found at Villacoublay.

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Thanks Nick ! Your informations are exactly the reason why it is so great to find new photos...and have the thus the background information. Much appreciated.

Cheers
Marc

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Bf 110 G at Lippstadt:

https://historisches-lippstadt.de/us-armee-1945/

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That photo is truly remarkable. Thank you.


Ed

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Thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, here are two photos from Petr Zaika's archive:

Ju 88 A-4 W.Nr. 8081:
https://vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/files/Z...-88_kopiya.jpg

He 219 with FuG VI:
https://vif2ne.org/nvi/forum/files/Z...219_kopiya.jpg

Location is unknown, Germany, after 8 May 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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Ju 88 WNr 8081 was built originally as a A-5 variant. Maybe rebuilt fpr FFS purposes.

Regards
RolandF

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W.Nr. 8081 almost certainly not an A-4, metal blade propellers and no sign of intercoolers. Probably left the factory as an A-1, then later converted to an A-5.
ArtieBob

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RolandF and ArtieBob,

Thanks ! i had an issue with the Excel data sheet I work with: on the May 43, it is quoted as an A-5 and on 1 August as an A-4. Some type along the line.

Cheers
Marc

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Number VI, isn't the bandwidth under which did radar FuG 220 work?

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Matolion,

Possibly so; I'm not knowledgeable enough, sorry.

Here new photos from Gerbini's KG 76 wrecked Ju 88 A's:
https://www.ww2online.org/image/unit...september-1943
https://www.ww2online.org/image/cras...an-ju-88-italy

A He 111 H found at Weimar, April 1945.
https://www.ww2online.org/image/amer...airplane-eto-1

Ju 188, Italy, May 1945.
https://www.ww2online.org/image/us-a...junkers-ju-188

Cheers
Marc

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A rare sighting: Fw 190's and Bf 109 G's found at Pocking, May 1945.
https://www.ww2online.org/image/wrec...s-germany-1945

Cheers
Marc

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A new photo of the Si 104's and 204's found at Klagenfurt in May 1945: https://www.ww2online.org/image/grou...t-austria-1945

Ju 290 A-4 W.Nr. 110162 "9V+EK", 1./(F)AGr. 5, Salzburg Maxglan, May 1945:
https://www.ww2online.org/image/sold...e-germany-1945
https://www.ww2online.org/image/amer...e-germany-1945 (photo is reversed).

Bf 109 G-10, possibly JGr. 27, Salzburg-Maxglan, May 1945:
https://www.ww2online.org/image/amer...e-germany-1945

Ar 234 B-2, location unknown:
https://www.ww2online.org/image/inte...r-germany-1945

Ju 87 G-2 and Si 204, location unknown, Germany or Austria, May 1945:
https://www.ww2online.org/image/amer...7-germany-1945

Fw 190 D-9 W.Nr. 211 625 "Blaue 1", JG 6, Erfurt Nord, 8 May 1945.
https://www.ww2online.org/image/us-s...rmany-may-1945
https://www.ww2online.org/image/fock...rmany-may-1945


Cheers
Marc

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Hi Gents,
Thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, a Bf 109 K-4 of III./JG27, 'Weisse 10'.
https://eu.vcstar.com/story/news/201...rs/2840582002/

And a former auction ...
Regards,
Franck

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Location is Gütersloh, thanks to the identification of P 51 D s.n. 122-31401" Sierra Sue II" piloted by Lt. Bob Bohna. Source: Sierra Sue II, the story of a P 51 D Mustang, by John Christgau, Xlibris.com.

Cheers
Marc

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This rare machine found as wreck by Russian troups at Berlin-Tempelhof.
Yes, obviously a Jumo engined machine. Not an E-3 ... ;)
Most probably a I./JG101 machine. Schwarze 48 (or blue or red) or 148 ...


https://www.moypolk.ru/ikryaninskiy-...shev-aleksandr
via
https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic....638&start=1485


Regards,
Franck.

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https://ghoi4g.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none

https://historical-media.com/id1030.htm

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I wonder where "near Munich" this JV 44 "Weisse 7" was found... Any ideas ? Any other details known ?
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/10080071/courierpost/

Thanks in advance
Marc

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Hi Marc,

It is probably WNr. 111704 at Bad Abling. However, Dan O'Connell also lists WNr. 111744 as a 'white 7' of JV44.

forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-19676.html

Jim

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Thanks Jim,

This nails it indeed. Much appreciated.

Cheers
Marc

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My apologies, Marc.

Having examined the photographic evidence, I think now I have misled you.

forum.12oclockhigh.net/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=678

The above photo was definitely taken at the dump at München-Riem. Please note that the style, colour (slightly different from the balkenkreuz) and position of the "7" viz-a-viz the balkenkreuz is identical to that in your photograph. Moreover, in the photo above, the rear portion of the fuselage can be seen lying beneath with the same truncated horizontal stabilizer.

Also, the two pictures I have of the starboard side only of WNr. 111704, show a dappled Me 262 with the "7" in a slightly lower position and either the balkenkreuz non-existant or shaded out. If anyone has views of WNr. 111704, especially the port side, verification would be greatly appreciated.

Marc, if the Me 262 in your photograph is indeed the one in the Riem dump, then the caption should be taken literally and it is not WNr. 111704.

Jim

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Jim, thanks for your follow-up and correction; they are highly appreciated.

Archivár, over on modelforum.cz, wrote the following commentary on the same photo, uploaded by Pufo:
https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic....0971&start=540

This is a google.com translation:

"The "white 7" from colleague Pufo is very, very interesting. First of all - it is definitely Munich airport (according to the wooden shed in the background, the same shed can be found in another photo - see eg 25 page of this discussion). The style of the fuselage number corresponds to the numbers of JV 44 - see eg "white 3" (W.Nr.111.746), "white 5" (W.Nr.111.745) and "white 6" (W.Nr.111.740). This suggests that the aircraft could belong to the first group of twelve machines received by JV 44, for which W.Nr. "weave" around block 111.7 ..
In my opinion, it is an aircraft serial number W.Nr.111.744, which at JV 44 actually flew - see below.

It is interesting that the aircraft W.Nr.111.744 is not listed in the list of machines in Munich on April 26. 1945. But there is an aircraft W.Nr.111.074, which did not exist. It leads me to the idea that when they compiled the list, so this machine was not sure of the serial number - note that the aircraft does not have a tail (I can think of the idea that those who wrote aircraft to April 26, 1945 probably did not know the exact W.Nr. - could not read it from the tail - it was not there, so somewhere wrongly copied). The aircraft was certainly intended for repair by mechanics Luftwaffe - see the typical assembly goats and it is also towed in the anti-bomb cover.

And the last thing - there is a record that Heinz Bär flew "white 7". However, there is also "white 7" of III./EJG 2. It raises the question of which of the two aircraft "white 7" at the end of the war flew."

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Marc,

Some comments on your latest post.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=679

While I could not find a photo containing a wooden shed on p. 25 of the thread in modelforum.cz, I did find this one on p. 26 which seems to show WNr. 111746 along the taxiway at Riem before the "white 3" was added. It could very well be the same shed.

I would suggest that for some reason the "white 7" in Jack Boyer's photograph was abandoned before April 26, 1945 in a bomb crater along the taxiway and the wings propped up to remove the engines. American troops would have found it in this condition and removed it to the Riem dump. This Me 262 may, indeed, be WNr. 111744 which was manufactured at Kuno I, Scheppach at the same time WNr. 111704 was being assembled at Hessental, Schwabisch Hall.

I would also suggest that the WNr. 111704 "white 7" found at Bad Abling was the replacement for this aircraft and was the one mentioned in the inventory list of April 26, 1945 as "111074".

Jim

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Hi there Gang,

Trawling thought the USHMM collections today, I chanced on an exceptional portfolio mainly of the planes - mainly JV 44 Me 262's and NSGr. 9 Ju 87 D's and Fw 190 F - found at Innsbruck-Hötting and around Innsbruck-Reichenau made after 4 May 1945 by Efrem Ostrowski who donated in 1995 his album to the Museum.
https://collections.ushmm.org/search...%2C2596%2C1898

I would love to hear more about the the two crash-landed He 111 H's, the Fw 190 F-8 or F-9 and also the Ju 188.

Last but not least, there are also two very sharp photos of a He 219, certainly NOT taken at Innsbruck. Any ideas where ?

Cheers
Marc

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My first thought was Ju 188 D-2, W.Nr. 290041, F6+DP of 6.(F)/122, a refugee from Italy, which David E. Brown brought to my attention. The fourth fuselage code letter is a "P" (not sure about the third letter, maybe another "P") so it's quite likely from the same Staffel but, the "old" one doesn't have exhaust flame suppressors and it's unlikely that souvenir hunters could have removed those. Nor does the photo I know seem to have the FuG 200 antenna mounted on the port side of the nose. The access ladder isn't apparent in the "old" photo although that could easily have been moved.

The "old" photo (a left rear quarter view) doesn't have any camouflage net draped around the engines and you can't see the fuel tank (or supply container?) under the port wing. Also visible in this latest picture is that the underside of the wing isn't black but the underside of the fuselage is. Note also the overpainted Balkenkreuz under the wing. The rear fuselage paint appears lighter than the "old" photo" but that could just be the angle and stronger daylight. Both this machine and the "old" one have FuG 216 tail warning antennae mounted above the wings.

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Thanks Nick,

For pointing out the features of this machine which, if I understand you well, could be a second 6.(F)/122 refugee ?

Cheers
Marc

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I’m fairly sure it’s a second 6.(F)/122 machine (and by the way, I think it may also have a FuG 101 radio-altimeter antenna under the port wing, outboard). In Italy, 4. and 6.(F)/122 undertook night photography and FuG 200 reconnaissance over the sea. I can’t remember at the moment which did which—I’d have to look up that up in my own book—but the plan was to amalgamate the two Staffeln because there were not enough Ju 188s remaining after production ceased to keep them operating separately for long.

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Ar96 https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1170554
Ju87 Me110 https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1170551
He111 https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1068261

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Thanks Nick !

Highly appreciated.

Cheers
Marc

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Ar 96 is a Hungarian plane.

All told, 5 Ar 96 were recorded in the 9 May 1945 A.I.2(g) Report with no details given.

18 Bf 110 G-4's were also recorded in the same report, alas again with no details at all for most of them and only 6 W.Nr.'s given.

Two Ju 87 D's were recorded: A Ju 87 D-1 W.Nr. 5157 and a Ju 87 D-3 with no details given.

Thanks Snautzer !
Marc

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Thanks to you Marc, never saw this source before.

Me110 Nightfighters https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1170555

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me262
https://collections.ushmm.org/search...27%2C331%2C216

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Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 440 726 (?) "Schwarze 21", Stab III./JG 26 (?), Le Bourget, France, Autumn 1944. Source: Jeffrey Ethell Collection inv. 00556.

Thanks Snautzer !
Marc

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/143513...NzBm9u-27Xiewo

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Possibly a replacement for Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 440179, black 21 of Stab III./JG 26 which was damaged when Nancy was bombed on 25 May 1944.