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John Manrho 21st June 2012 20:50

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Marking of this D-9 is not mentioned and still unknown.

John

byron- 21st June 2012 21:22

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Christian,

There is nothing more in the diary of Marz, sorry, but there are a lot of losses for January and February.

ChristianK 21st June 2012 23:31

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Thanks John and Byron; perhaps some additional info will show up in the future.
Attached you find a photo of this aircraft's tail which was sold on Ebay years ago. The location is supposed to be Tempelhof. If this is true, then the aircraft was obviously recovered from its crash site near Cottbus and moved to the Weserflug repair facility in Tempelhof. Perhaps someone has additional photos of this airframe in its final resting place?

Christian

byron- 22nd June 2012 08:01

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 7

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...es/Jan45-7.jpg

byron- 22nd June 2012 20:25

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Nr. 8

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...es/Jan45-8.jpg

John Manrho 22nd June 2012 22:56

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Christian, please drop me a PM or an email.

John

byron- 23rd June 2012 07:16

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 9

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...es/Jan45-9.jpg

ouidjat 23rd June 2012 16:42

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hello All,

Hi Byron, what happens with your scans?

Tschüss, Franck.

byron- 23rd June 2012 20:20

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hi Franck,

i can imagine what happened. I put them all by photobucket in a sub-album and doing that change they disappeared in TOCH.
I`ll put now again the last 9 pages and I`ll continue with Nr. 10.
is anyone missing the former pages?

Nr.1.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-1.jpg

Nr.1a.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-1a.jpg

Nr.2.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-2.jpg

Nr.3.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-3.jpg

Nr.4.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-4.jpg

Nr.5.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-5.jpg

Nr.6.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-6.jpg

Nr.7.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-7.jpg

Nr.8.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-8.jpg

Nr.9.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-9.jpg

Nr.10.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...45/Jan45-9.jpg

byron- 23rd June 2012 20:38

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
With the following 6 pages we have them all again from the beginning (Igor)

0253

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...01945/0253.jpg

0254

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...01945/0254.jpg

0351a

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...01945/351a.jpg

0352a

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1945/0352a.jpg

0357a

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1945/0357a.jpg

0358a

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1945/0358a.jpg

ouidjat 24th June 2012 01:25

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hello for me it's OK.
...
What about that Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 78117 ?????
19/1. 15./JG 51, Braune 5 Bruch 15%.
What should I read? I already have a WNr 781118 in my list of losses. one JG 51, same period ...
Any suggestion?

Thanks. Franck.

byron- 24th June 2012 08:52

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 11.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-11.jpg

Steve Coates 24th June 2012 13:01

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Byron - Thanks for doing this. It's very much appreciated. 9 and 10 are identical, both being Page 1 of QU Meldung 1025. Page 2 (which should have been numbered 5378 by the British) is missing.

Juha 24th June 2012 13:51

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Byron
Thanks a lot!

Juha

ouidjat 24th June 2012 15:00

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Thanks Byron,

We do appreciate the Bf 109 G-4 WNr.330366 !! on first line.

RolandF 24th June 2012 18:26

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Quote:

Bf 109 G-4 WNr.330366
"typo" comes from "type writer";) - always human beings writing this...
And I don´t trust the classifications "G-6", "G-14" and "G-14/AS".
Concerning WNr.78117:
IMO it is helpful to list it twice-
under 781117 and 78117?, hoping one listing can be removed some day...

Servus

Roland

ouidjat 24th June 2012 19:45

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RolandF (Post 150217)
"And I don´t trust the classifications "G-6", "G-14" and "G-14/AS".
Concerning WNr.78117:
IMO it is helpful to list it twice-
under 781117 and 78117?, hoping one listing can be removed some day...
Roland

Hello Roland,
Good idea, never thought about that solution ... Since I know human errors I guess the guy typed two 1 instead of three; you saw I had no hesitation comparing with 781118. After a full day in February 45 and at the end of page... It's just a miracle having done this in such conditions.

As for your first sentence: Why that? I'm curious to know it.
In listing provided by Byron you have, TOO, two G-14/ASMY or "T" last letter being hardly visible in both case and he typed G-14 ASMY without slash and a huge space.
Maybe it's time to have an explanation about this subtype too, no?

Regards, Franck.

byron- 24th June 2012 19:49

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
thanks Steve for the correction, here the right Nr.10 and Nr. 12. is following

Nr. 10.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-10.jpg

Nr. 12.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-12.jpg

ouidjat 24th June 2012 19:56

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hummmm start to be complicated ....
G-10/DY G-14/DY G-14/ASMY (again) one B 4/DY which obviously is a K-4 (WNr.331509) and a G-1, WNr.166360 !!

DY and ASMY for what ??

Thanks Byron.

PS: for both G-4 and B 4 I have an explanation: The guy in LFl 6 HQ received report from front units and never heard about K-4; so he made his own corrections, G-4 was most familar. Note too: letters T and Y are close on type writer and G is just above B.

byron- 25th June 2012 15:07

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Nr. 13.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-13.jpg

byron- 26th June 2012 18:17

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Nr. 14.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jam45-14.jpg

byron- 27th June 2012 19:20

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Nr. 15.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-15.jpg

byron- 28th June 2012 14:17

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Nr. 16.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-16.jpg

byron- 29th June 2012 19:06

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Νρ. 17.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-17.jpg

ouidjat 30th June 2012 07:14

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
My dear Friend Byron,

Thanks again for continuing these posts. Of course I'm not going to say thank you every day, but feeling is the same don't worry.

Cheers, Franck.

byron- 30th June 2012 13:00

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Dear Franck,

thank you for your friendship

make this trip now visiting the aegean islands and dream with the old song of Nana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Z1t...eature=related

best regards

Byron

byron- 30th June 2012 13:24

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 18

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-18.jpg

byron- 1st July 2012 15:27

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Νr. 19.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-19.jpg

RolandF 1st July 2012 20:48

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Thanks a lot, Byron, for sharing your documents.
Regarding #7) of sheet 5555, is the WNr 491321, 491421 or anything else. Can it be read better on your original?
Thanks in advance

Roland

byron- 1st July 2012 22:42

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hi Roland,

it is Werk-Nr. 491421

Byron

RolandF 2nd July 2012 11:30

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hi Byron,

Thx for your clarification

Roland

byron- 2nd July 2012 15:05

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Roland,

you are wellcome

Byron

byron- 2nd July 2012 19:05

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 20.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-20.jpg

Nr. 21.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-21.jpg

Steve Coates 3rd July 2012 00:47

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Byron

Thanks again for this. Page 21 is Page 2 of a report. Is Page 1 available ?

byron- 3rd July 2012 15:41

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Hi Steve,

I`ll check it

Byron

byron- 3rd July 2012 20:28

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Steve,

I think i found the page bevor 21 and i name it Nr. 20a.

Nr. 20a.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p.../Jan45-20a.jpg

ouidjat 4th July 2012 04:13

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by byron- (Post 150687)
Hi Roland,

it is Werk-Nr. 491421

Byron

Dear Byron,

Are you a 100% sure?
Comparing with other typo characteristics on the same page I see a "3" on top of a "6", or the contrary. Since "6" sounds impossible (normally) ... left a "3". But can you check again please? Thank you for your help.

Regards, Franck.

byron- 4th July 2012 07:53

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Dear Franck,

I cleaned it with photoshop, here how it looks. It seems to be a clear 4.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p.../Jan45-19a.jpg

Byron

ouidjat 4th July 2012 13:37

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
OK Byron,

I'm sorry, Thank you.

Franck.

byron- 4th July 2012 15:10

Re: Losses in the last days of the Reich
 
Nr. 22.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Jan45-22.jpg


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