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mars 7th July 2016 14:44

Re: Mediterranean Air War by Chris Shores
 
Now is available at book despository

Lagarto 13th July 2016 19:03

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Available at the UK Amazon

Orwell1984 12th August 2016 00:22

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Recent update news today on Stone and Stone:
http://stonebooks.com/
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No rest for the weary! Christopher Shores and his team have recently released the third book in the highly esteemed History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940-1945 series, but they remain hard at work on the next volumes. The author kindly sent us a detailed road map with very ambitious plans for the future.
"We are already well stuck into volume 4, but there is a lot of work to do before we can start guessing at dates etc. Of course, it is all "first time round" for us compared to North Africa and Tunisia, although that does make it fresher for us, and helps keep us very sharp!
"So what will it cover? Essentially the invasions/occupations of Sicily, Italy, Sardinia and Corsica, concentrating on tactical air power and operations, up to the end of October 1943. This will include the almost completely "long-range" tactical operations of the heavy bombers. As at 1 November 1943 (the formation of the 15th Air Force) the strategic air forces will be "hived off" to become volume 5.
"Meanwhile volume 4 will continue with the ongoing tactical operations over Italy, Greece, Albania and Yugoslavia including those by the Balkan Air Force. Whether this requires volume 4 to be cut into two parts will depend on size, which will only become clear as our work continues. We do not, for practical reasons, want to produce a volume larger than volumes 2 or 3, so a volume 4 part I and part II may be necessary. We may therefore need to "slice it" appropriately when the time comes.
"Thereafter for the future we move to the strategic picture. Prior to 1 November 1943 and the formation of the 15th AF, the heavy bombers of the 9th and 12th Air Forces only undertook two real strategic operations and we will start volume 5 with these, and then move to that important date. Thereafter our coverage will, of course, concentrate on the US units of that air force but will tie in with the activities of RAF 205 Group. This was, of course, a joint part of the Mediterranean Strategic Air Force, operating from the same Headquarters and frequently in conjunction with the day bombers. This volume will allow us also to incorporate the fascinating involvements of the air forces of Hungary, Rumania, Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, and the Italian Fascist Republic."


Fanair 18th August 2016 17:12

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Errata vol 3:

p 13: not Loire 302 of escadrille E 4 but Laté 302,

p51,52 & 53 not Loire et Olivier LeO 451r but Lioré et Ollvier.

p 28 what is 709 Met Flight ?

Thank you

Alain

Russell 20th August 2016 05:13

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Alain,

Thanks for the corrections. 709 Met stands for 709 Meteorological Flight that tested the weather.

Regards

Russell

Stig Jarlevik 20th August 2016 11:12

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Agreed Russell

But what was it actually? It is not listed in any of Air Britain's unit books, unless it also had a different name.
A short potted history perhaps?

The use of a 700 block range indicates a Naval use, but their catapult flights were long gone and the block was not in use post 1940 for any RN flights as far as I can see. It also indicates there are more Met Flights in that same block.
As far as RAF goes, I can only locate four Met Flights, No 1 to 4, all later in the 1300 block

Cheers
Stig

Six Nifty .50s 21st August 2016 04:01

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 222268)
Agreed Russell

But what was it actually? It is not listed in any of Air Britain's unit books, unless it also had a different name.
A short potted history perhaps?

The use of a 700 block range indicates a Naval use, but their catapult flights were long gone and the block was not in use post 1940 for any RN flights as far as I can see. It also indicates there are more Met Flights in that same block.
As far as RAF goes, I can only locate four Met Flights, No 1 to 4, all later in the 1300 block

Cheers
Stig



Per Graham Warner, No. 775 Naval Air Squadron was equipped with twin-engined Bristol Blenheims on Gibraltar. I don't know when these aircraft were delivered to The Rock, but given the limited resources circa November 1942 Blenheim would have been the most suitable type for weather recce.

Assuming that "709" Met Flight is officially correct, could it be that planes and crew were drawn from 775 NAS?

BruceMk11 21st August 2016 07:10

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Stig: there were also numerous met flights in the 1400 range.

Stig Jarlevik 21st August 2016 13:05

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Bruce

Thanks, yes I noticed that after I sent my e-mail. However it does not bring us any closer to an answer.

Nifty.50
According to Ray Sturtivant (Air Britain) No. 775 Sq moved to the Rock on Feb 1st 1944 but did not operate any Blenheims until May 1945, so that unit is not in the time frame at all.

Cheers
Stig

Russell 22nd August 2016 06:06

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Hi everyone,

I see the point of this - the number 709 is not a "normal"number. Chris Shores is investigating his sources and we will get back to you with an response as soon as we can.

Hope those who have it are enjoying the book

Cheers

Russell

Graham Boak 23rd August 2016 00:05

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Oh yes. A specialist on RAF meteorological flying posts posts regularly on the RAF Commands Forum so it is probably worth adding a request there.
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/for...&s=&daysprune=

edwest2 23rd August 2016 01:31

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Some hopefully useful background about the importance of meteorology from its beginning.


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/r/q/Remember.pdf

https://www.rmets.org/sites/default/files/hist03.pdf




Ed

Richard Mills 27th September 2016 16:29

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My copy finally arrived today, and it was certainly worth the wait.

The level of detail in these volumes is simply stunning and full credit goes to the authors for their dedication to the level and quality of content inside.

Regards Richard.

BruceMk11 26th January 2017 05:35

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Does the current volume (3) cover Ju 86 operations over N. Africa in July-August '43?

Frank Olynyk 26th January 2017 06:08

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Volume 3 ends in mid-May 1943 with the surrender of the Axis forces in North Africa. Volume 4 (in process) will cover July-August 1943. It should be published sometime next year. We will let everyone know when the manuscript is finished, and what it covers.

Enjoy!

Frank.

BruceMk11 27th January 2017 01:06

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Thanks Frank.

PhilBennett 8th August 2017 09:21

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Quick question which I'll put here rather than a new thread. The 1970's books Fighters over.... suggests it was going to be a trilogy - did the 3rd volume get written?

NickM 9th August 2017 00:12

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Originally Posted by PhilBennett (Post 237761)
Quick question which I'll put here rather than a new thread. The 1970's books Fighters over.... suggests it was going to be a trilogy - did the 3rd volume get written?

The third volume was completed & released last year. So far I have the first three volumes of the series & EAGERLY waiting for vol. 4.

Stig Jarlevik 9th August 2017 00:36

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Nick

Phil is refering to the old books not the new ones.
No only the first two, Fighters over the Desert and Fighters over Tunisia were ever released.

Cheers
Stig

NickM 5th September 2017 04:54

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Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik (Post 237823)
Nick

Phil is refering to the old books not the new ones.
No only the first two, Fighters over the Desert and Fighters over Tunisia were ever released.

Cheers
Stig

Apologies for the late response, but RE: the original 'Fighters Over..' I did not know they were 'supposed' to be a trilogy.

And since we're on this subject is there an expected date of release for Volume 4? I have cleared a spot on my book case in anticipation.

Col Bruggy 5th September 2017 05:52

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Originally Posted by NickM (Post 239256)
Apologies for the late response, but RE: the original 'Fighters Over..' I did not know they were 'supposed' to be a trilogy.

And since we're on this subject is there an expected date of release for Volume 4? I have cleared a spot on my book case in anticipation.

Nick,

From the front flap of the dust jacket of FOTD - The first volume of a trilogy, Fighters Over the Desert tells in detail...

Col.

NickM 5th September 2017 15:50

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Originally Posted by Col Bruggy (Post 239257)
Nick,

From the front flap of the dust jacket of FOTD - The first volume of a trilogy, Fighters Over the Desert tells in detail...

Col.

I've never been able to read a version with the dust jacket intact, to tell the truth. The inter-library loans usually don't hold up for too long.

Orwell1984 5th September 2017 17:07

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Originally Posted by NickM (Post 239272)
I've never been able to read a version with the dust jacket intact, to tell the truth. The inter-library loans usually don't hold up for too long.

Interestingly enough the Arco Publishing Company version [the American edition], omits mention of the book being part of a trilogy. Its front flap reads as follows:
Quote:

Fighters Over the Desert tells in detail ....
so perhaps plans changed between the UK and US publication.

Frank Olynyk 16th September 2017 23:35

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In the middle of August four team members (Chris, Giovanni, Russell and myself) gathered at Chris' house, along with John Davies (publisher) for lunch. And a discussion of MAW4 and MAW5. It was decided that MAW4 will go from May 14, 1943 to the fall of Rome, June 5, 1944. And MAW5 will go from there to the end of the war. Both MAW4 and MAW5 are covering only the tactical operations in Italy, Southern France and the Balkans. This will include the heavy bomber operations to the end of October 1943, except for Ploesti (Tidal Wave). The strategic operations, starting with Tidal Wave and continuing from November 1, 1943 will go in MAW6 and a probable MAW7.

It was also decided that we will aim to have MAW4 available at the July 2018 Duxford Air Show. And MAW5 sometime in 2019, possibly more than a year after MAW4. No timeline for MAW6/7 was discussed, that being too far in the future.

Another pleasant note from the meeting was the news that the original print run for MAW1 has now sold out. And John was able to organize a small additional printing of it in a manner which will allow him to continue small print runs to keep it in print.

Enjoy!

Frank.

Lagarto 17th September 2017 07:32

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Great news, thank you. I'm looking forward to the next volumes.

SteveB 18th September 2017 10:39

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Thank you Frank
I wish you and your colleagues "long life"!!!
Steve

NickM 19th September 2017 04:59

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Originally Posted by SteveB (Post 239750)
Thank you Frank
I wish you and your colleagues "long life"!!!
Steve

That goes double for me! Great news!


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