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S Sheflin 16th June 2018 17:25

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello Rudi,
Thanks for these exciting photographic gems.
The second photo, which I believe was taken at Fliegerhorst Wels, Austria (48.182496 14.039722) features the previously-seen Fieseler-Kassel-built Fw 190 D-9/R5 (WNr. 6013xx). Note its rare 4xETC71 underwing racks.
Behind it is Fw 190 F 15+ - with what looks like an older underwing rocket rail visible.
Truly fine photos Rudi. Thank you.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

S Sheflin 16th June 2018 17:52

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello again everyone,
WNF-built Bf 109 G-6/R2 or G-8 (WNrn. 20xxxx, 230xxx or 710 xxx) marked 1 N5+AH with the 1 in white, is most interesting.
Like other examples I have documented from NAGr.Bromberg, its plane number “1” is derived from the third character of its unit markings, I.e., in N5+AH the A = the 1st letter of the alphabet.
Also, unlike many of its brethren, it sports a tall wooden tail unit, possibly had a production-type Erla-Haub, and what looks like a white outline Hakenkreuz.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Roger Gaemperle 16th June 2018 17:53

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello all, about half way down the following page, you can see a different photo of the same Fw 199 D-9 and 190 F. The F appears to have standart bomb carriers in this view.

http://axis-and-allies-paintworks.co...opic.php?388.0

S Sheflin 16th June 2018 18:02

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hi Roger,


Thanks for the correction. I was fooled by the wingtip.


I stand corrected.


Steve Sheflin

ouidjat 17th June 2018 13:10

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hi Guys,

The third picture - just under the P51 - has been taken at Illesheim.
You can recognize in background the well known two tone green camouflaged Gustav for which two colour picture do exist too.
The present picture has been taken from top of a Ju52 just after the Fw190 in the row.
Check your archives ...
...
Providing the dark Gustav has been taken at Illesheim, indeed :)

Regards,
Franck.

ouidjat 17th June 2018 13:19

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
... And the Erg.AGr. machine at Altenstadt-Schongau; thanks to David Weiss.
The clue being the church, indeed.

Regards,
Franck.

ouidjat 17th June 2018 15:01

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 253566)
Hi Guys,

The third picture - just under the P51 - has been taken at Illesheim.
You can recognize in background the well known two tone green camouflaged Gustav for which two colour picture do exist too.
The present picture has been taken from top of a Ju52 just after the Fw190 in the row.
Check your archives ...
...
Providing the dark Gustav has been taken at Illesheim, indeed :)

Regards,
Franck.

Back on my own comment.
Wels or Illesheim ??.. Anyway, this is the same place.

Roger Gaemperle 17th June 2018 22:19

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Steve, you are welcome. I wouldn't have been able to find the other photo if it hadn't been for your comment about Wels in post 1161.

Franck, thanks for identifying the Bf 109's location. I am not sure about Illesheim vs. Wels, but Wels would make more sense due to JG 27 and the Luftflotte 4 Fw 190 F?

What about the aircraft sitting on its nose that looks like a Corsair except its canopy (which looks more like a P-51 canopy). Were these photos accidentally mixed with photos taken in Europe?

ouidjat 18th June 2018 00:46

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 253584)
Franck, thanks for identifying the Bf 109's location. I am not sure about Illesheim vs. Wels, but Wels would make more sense due to JG 27 and the Luftflotte 4 Fw 190 F?

You are welcome Roger,

Did check with other people and Poruba (?) publication.
Hence, no doubt it's the same place as I demonstrate above and no doubt both actual photos in auction have been taken at Wells.
End of debate for the moment and concerning that dark green camouflaged Gustav.
...
As sequel: I think there was at least two similar camouflaged Gustavs at Wels since two are visible together on a picture; most probably three.

Best regards,
Franck.

RudiS 18th June 2018 16:30

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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edNorth 18th June 2018 21:00

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
G-1 712283 3C+

field at Wesel-Rees-Hamminkeln 23:40 hrs on 24.03.1945
(F Lt. Kurt Mittendorf, BF Uffz. Erich Stifter, BS Obgfr. Werner Lefkes and BM Gefr. Johann Blever missing/dead in crash
names in TNA HW 5/688 CX/MSS R.511/C/24 (RodM on TOCH forum 22.02.2011)

http://www.therhouse.com/my-grandfat...-world-war-ii/
Scroll down a little.

RudiS 21st June 2018 12:45

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 24th June 2018 18:37

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 25th June 2018 10:21

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 28th June 2018 15:58

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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Marc-André Haldimann 28th June 2018 21:42

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Fw 190:
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Fw 190 A, II./JG 4:
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Cheers
Marc

spektor 30th June 2018 15:55

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Wrecked German planes on Sicily, 13 July 1943
Original Copyright Owner: National Archives

https://www.history.navy.mil/content...SC-185718.html

Snautzer 1st July 2018 12:42

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 1st July 2018 14:15

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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Stig Jarlevik 1st July 2018 14:33

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Rudi

Very interesting photo of LeO H.242 c/n 11 F-ANQH which was destroyed among many other H.242s by US fighters at Jonage on 30 April 1944

Looks like we have at least one more to the left.

Cheers
Stig

RudiS 1st July 2018 15:04

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks for identifying the French a/c, Stig.

Snautzer 1st July 2018 22:53

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
  1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Top-Fot...kAAOSwIAxbOPg7

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd July 2018 17:13

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
He 177:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-PHO...cAAOSwBc1bOEjx

A Bf 109 G for Ghost, San Severo, 1943.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-PHOTO-U....c100005.m1851

The one who recognises this machine wins it !
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-PHO...IAAOSwtj5bOEtd

And now back for the second half of Switzerland - Sweden...
Marc

Dénes Bernád 3rd July 2018 17:18

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 254241)
The one who recognises this machine wins it !

It looks like a Ju 86.

Snautzer 3rd July 2018 18:53

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Do17 i think.

gogh 3rd July 2018 20:30

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Junkers Ju86 LNS(SEE)6 LNS 4

Marc-André Haldimann 3rd July 2018 21:40

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Wow Gogh,

You sure win the prize ;)

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 5th July 2018 23:53

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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Tom Willis 6th July 2018 04:12

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Post 1183/1186

Peter is right with the ident as Ju86 & LNS4. From 02.43 to mid 1944 and the location is Lyon-Brod, France.

Marc-André Haldimann 6th July 2018 08:16

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Thanks for your precisions, Peter and Tom. Good to know the location is Lyon-Bron.

Cheers
Marc

gogh 6th July 2018 20:13

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Where is My price ?

Von Alles 7th July 2018 11:48

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
#1183: He 177 note the F (8) KG 40 code

PMoz99 7th July 2018 15:15

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gogh (Post 254440)
Where is My price ?

The cheque is probably in the mail. :)

Stig Jarlevik 7th July 2018 18:25

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PMoz99 (Post 254467)
The cheque is probably in the mail. :)

And no doubt lost by the post-office....:D

Cheers
Stig

PS: Congrats England. Nice win!!

gogh 7th July 2018 23:00

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Yes I work there Last week I found a birth card a year later in an machine. Email is better

RudiS 9th July 2018 10:32

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 10th July 2018 11:56

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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Marc-André Haldimann 10th July 2018 20:11

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Photo 1: A new to me el-Aouina, Tunis photo, after 8 May 1943.

Photo 2: I have this machine as a WNF built Bf 109 G-6/R2 W.Nr. unknown, "Weisse 15", 1./NAGr. 2, Stryj, Summer 1944. for more photos of this machine and its sister ships, check this album here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57635335408884

Photo 3: Bf 109 G W.Nr. unknown "TS+MB", Technische Schule Motor, München - Schleissheim, July 1945. Source: eBay auction via TOCH Forum.

Thanks RudiS!
Marc

RudiS 11th July 2018 13:59

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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RudiS 12th July 2018 15:22

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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