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According to “Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report 269” 3 Bf110G’s were found in the Krefeld marshaling yard.
They were reported to be: RR+EF G9+BZ 440 260 SN+YO G9+LS 108 403 GQ+GW G9+ES 730 259 I haven’t got the original report at hand to check because the photograph does not show a ES or BZ |
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Please dear friends.
I have complaint. Your / eBay listings here / are causing us who collect them pay more, and fight each others - and I have recieved complaints about that from three other collectors - and IDs from here have been used used "as excuse" to raise start-prices. Seriously. Most/many of your listings are also not all that intresting, also many are well known, like Ju 88 PI+SX abowe, his brothers and sisters, have been mentioned or posted on many times, and not worthy of further discussion. These are wrecks and have no further history but scrapping. Period. I urge you to show some restraint, as I find this eBay posting on TOCH! is becoming kind of advertizing board, and raising prises on us. Recent confirmation is where a poster asked for info, and seller of next picture in lot raised price dramatically. Then marked is skewed, and those not knowing or visiting this board are at a disadvantage. I urge you to show great restraint in posting, please ask your friends or experts by normal email if item really is historical, questionable or even worthy of posting. And writing designation wrongly is ... lousy. Laziness. I ask because nearly everybody with age 9 knowledge of German and Google fu can do it themselvs. Here is how to do it. You do not need to register. Looking is free (pay internet provider for certain amount of data?, use eBay as fillup on unused bytes). Samples: https://www.ebay.de/ https://www.ebay.com/ German words worthy of search are "Flugzeug" & "Foto" etc. Make your own list of words, pin it to board next to computer and start searching. Its eazy and fun. New item´s every week. I rarely miss a interesting item. Then using words like "Heinkel", "Dornier", and you will see many items that seller do not even care of listing their by correct subject. Looking for "Junkers", you also need check "Heinkel", "Dornier" etc. Ed |
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Sorry Ed,
Are you the "Temple's guard"? For how many years TOCH is giving eBay listing? For which reason this suddenly start to be a problem, and for who? I think we are here to exchange comments about new pictures to give or to read explanations about all members interests. And if you don't like pictures already put in auction times ago, just think you are not the only member of this forum thus, for some, if not many, members these pictures are new. I own you an advice: If you don't like it .. leave it. Isn't it a good idea? If you believe - I mean really believe - that talking about new auctions may raise the interest, hence the prices, you're wrong. If one is ready to put 1230 Euros for an early K-4 or 3730 Euros for a rare Me262 authentic (sic) picture - amazingly it's the same guy in fact ;) - it's his own problem and he doesn't care about what we are talking about here. And do you know why? For a simple reason: He and other bidders are looking for rarities WITHOUT our help! And the prices will raise the same way. Be good! |
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Hi ChristianK
Are you referring to the post#1128 Me262's? Regards Vince... |
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I am one who collects and who also does research.
First, people are free to post anything they like (as long as it is legal content of course, which is the case with aircraft photos). Then, while at first I was afraid that such listings would increase prices, I did not notice any increase. Prices went up and down over time when new collectors joined the marked or old ones left. For the most sought after photos it is often the same small group of collectors who would have found them anyways and may not even check this thread. As far as I’m concerned, I did find about 80-90% myself and of the remaining 10/20% there were only few where I bid. So, why do I read and support this thread at all then? That brings me to in my opinion the best argument to continue this thread: often the TOCH community collectively revealed interesting new insights about many of these photos. The collective knowledge is much larger than any individual’s. So, please continue and thanks all for your insight and contributions. |
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Dont feed a throll.
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Thanks Roger,
I was just going to post this: "I really feel your pain Ed. You’re so full of rage and frustration you don’t realize what you write or what you read. Where did you see complaint in my post? I just wrote you’re wrong and I wrote it the most educated way possible in such circumstances. Say that to Südek a.k.a. Archive of Modern Conflict the real – one of – subject of your grievances. … As for what you missed, just inform your, few, friends you’re binding on this or that … They won’t; The same way I’m doing... Because yes I buy, not a lot but I do, something you obviously don’t know – but for any obscure reasons you think I don’t – and I do it to publish - Surprising isn’t it - or to share with friends. … Last but not least it seems, or show me I’m wrong, and this is the funny part of your post: If for you it’s enough to share news by mail, to comment by mail … What are you doing in this forum? If you ask people here to share by mail and comment by mail instead of doing it here.. Why, then, do we need a forum?" So I won't ! :) And, as it seems we are in good company, you just answer to my last (but not least) very question. If I dare, I'd like to mimic Marc's last comment which was: "The way you answer to Ouidjat is - unfortunately for you - your signature" Here it comes: The way you answer to us, Roger, is - fortunately for us - your signature .. as usual. Another good reason to continue here; to find good company! Regards, Franck. |
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But Ed (West) always did protect new discoveries, I mean VERY interesting, by giving the links .. AFTER the end of bids. And there are more interesting situations in this "game". Some are treating directly with sellers asking them to withdraw auctions. It works! Sellers are selling through "private" auctions. Sellers who advise you they have "something" and going to put in auction, just for you.... I've been the beneficiary of such "help" ... And more, since in one case the seller didn't want to sell/send to the country where I lived, I did ask one of TOCH member, living in the right country, to pay for me - after I had bid, indeed - to get the picture and forward to me ... And he kindly did even if, sometimes, we did had arguments in this forum. The fact being EdNorth is living on another planet; an old planet without web, computers, scanners indeed and other modern tools. Broadly speaking we all live in a collectors' world. I discovered this starting to "work" and publish in and for a French review where JY Lorant - a friend of us, at least a friend of mine - was editor assistant at the end of the 70s. And I discovered that "collectors" - whatever the subject - are liars, selfish, envious, paranoids, petty and miserly, and ready to steal objects and ideas (I'm not talking about JYL) And, the only way "collectors" have to protect their "statute" is to dispraise ... Franck. |
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And my two cents in regard to the discussion above: Ed - You are saying that our photo listings here attract some wealthy buyers who (after winning the auction) hide these photos away from public forever. And the posters here are doing that by ... making them visible to everyone. Ain't this a little contradictory? Also: If you are a researcher, do you really need the physical picture in your own hands to do your research? I don't think so. (Yes, I know there is always the problem with Photoshop et cetera, and this can only be cleared by physical access - but this problem can also occur with published photos. How can you tell with a hundred percent certainty that these are real? I guess you just have to live with these doubts in our day and age.) And I know this is frowned upon, but if you really want to publish a work, for example, about Me 262 jet bomber units and you really want to put a certain photo in it, to which you don't have physical access to, you can just use the downloaded picture anyway. If I recall correctly there is no copyright on these unless the original photographer claims it (or some image provider puts a fat watermark on it). Just saying - even though I am not totally sure about this point. But quite. In the end I think that posting all these photos and auction links is much more profitable for our community (and Luftwaffe research in general) than keeping them secret... |
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And some more:
https://dlgdcw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/G-I-Sna...19.m1438.l2649 https://dlee6a.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Vintage...19.m1438.l2649 https://dlg5xa.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Vintage...19.m1438.l2649 |
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I was referring tot he links of edwest2 & Snautzer in the "German interest" thread. These are very much live auctions. Even the onces you have posted are live auctions onces. |
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Most post in the interest ebay section are mine. All of them live at time of posting. For that thread alone close to 40.000 views. It is with the captured Ebay i started and rudis keeps quite a block buster. I do not post for researchers alone but for the community. Been doing that since the beginning of the internet and will keep doing that. Throll or not.
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For the #1222:
I'm surprised by the shape of the wing. Do you know what plane it is (Re 200x) ? And where could be taken this photo ? Thanx. |
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Two Re 2002 at Lyon-Bron. Identified by Allied Technical Intelligence as Fiat G. 50!
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At first glance, I would be tempted to say the same thing as you. But something disturbs me with the tips of the wings: they are not rounded ... I own several photographs of the Lyon-Bron Re 2002 and the two on the #1222 are not the same.
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They are both indeed Re 2002. The one on the left clearly has its engine intake still intact on the upper part of its cowling. The aircraft on the right is much more "fallen apart" and the intake is missing and so is also quite a bit of the port wing, including its rear and also the rounded wing tip. Another photo showing exactly this aircraft and its starboard wing where one can see the rounded wing tip still in place. Cheers Stig |
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A better photo of the a/c on the right can be seen in post #1199:
https://dyzhqw.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none |
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Just had to laugh Rudi (and thanks!)
That's exactly the photo I was talking about....:D Cheers Stig |
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Yes, we posted almost at the same time.
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Thank you gentlemen,
you are right, these are undoubtedly photographs posterior to the date of discovery of the wrecks on the ground of Bron. These had to be "mutilated". |
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The seller send me the following additional scans:
https://seg5oq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://seeelq.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://sefufg.bn.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none https://www.ebay.com/itm/W-W-II-Phot...s/183333963464 |
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Hello Rudi,
GWF-built Bf 110 G-4 (WNr. 730293) was coded G9+NP from NJG1. I hope someone knows where this aircraft was found. Respectfully, Steve Sheflin |
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Dear RudiS,
Thanks as ever for your relentless efforts ! We have today three more shots of Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 784993 “Weisse 13”, of the ill-fated Uffz Herbert Maxi, IV/JG 27; he was shot dead by members of the 455th AAA battalion as he climbed out of his cockpit after having pulled off this clean belly landing on 1 January 1945. Cheers Marc |
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