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RudiS 22nd July 2018 18:38

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
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Tony Kambic 22nd July 2018 20:17

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Looks like the tail of He219 WrkNr. 290124, and another with Stmkzch 'BH'?

S Sheflin 22nd July 2018 21:04

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello Tony,
I think that both of these He 219’s were found at Fl.Horst Münster-Handorf (51.992029 7.737635).
The He 219 coded __+BH may actually be He 219 A-2 (WNr. 290059) which was coded G9+BH and was found abandoned there.
I suspect that He 219 A-2 (WNr. 290124) was also found at Fl.Horst Münster-Handorf.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RudiS 23rd July 2018 15:47

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Marc-André Haldimann 23rd July 2018 15:56

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Dear Rudi, the third photo of your today’s catch shows a brand new but already derelict Bf 109 K-4, either seen at Amberg-Schafhof or at Cham-Michelsdorf.

Much indebted!
Marc

ouidjat 23rd July 2018 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann (Post 255324)
Dear Rudi, the third photo of your today’s catch shows a brand new but already derelict Bf 109 K-4, either seen at Amberg-Schafhof or at Cham-Michelsdorf.

Much indebted!
Marc

Most probably this machine. spare on ground under machine's tail ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/16567667236

Marc-André Haldimann 23rd July 2018 16:50

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I concur, Franck ! Hence seen at Cham-Michelsdorf, possibly W.Nr. 335 093.

Roger Gaemperle 24th July 2018 11:22

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The link in #1246 doesn't work for me. Do I need special permission to access it? I am logged in at Flickr.

RudiS 24th July 2018 11:53

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Same here. I get the following message:
"It appears you don’t have permission to view this photo or video."

Marc-André Haldimann 24th July 2018 14:50

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RudiS, Roger,

Will look into this issue once home on Friday.

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 24th July 2018 16:09

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RudiS 25th July 2018 15:38

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S Sheflin 25th July 2018 19:03

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello again RudiS,
This aircraft has probably been destroyed by its owners, and displays the technical details of a Bf 109 G-6 or early G-14: lower oil filler hatch, straight port DB 605 A engine bearer, old-style heavy canopy, and small upper wing bumps.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Marc-André Haldimann 25th July 2018 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 255418)
Hello again RudiS,
This aircraft has probably been destroyed by its owners, and displays the technical details of a Bf 109 G-6 or early G-14: lower oil filler hatch, straight port DB 605 A engine bearer, old-style heavy canopy, and small upper wing bumps.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Thanks RudiS for your new find and Steve, for your insight. IMHO we have here a G-6 or a G-8 as I still wait to see a documented G-14 with an old three piece canopy. Notice also the white ring painted on the spinner: this might indicate a NAGr., like the planes of NAGr. , like The machines of possibly NAGr. 32 do document it.

Sincerely
Marc

RudiS 29th July 2018 15:07

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RudiS 1st August 2018 12:16

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Does anyone have an ID on the Me 262? Could it be white 22 of JV 44 found at Salzburg?
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Karoband 1st August 2018 13:54

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Thank you once again, Rudi.

Yes, the wooden tripole in front and the pile of sandbags to the starboard side are seen in other pictures of "white 22".

Jim

RudiS 3rd August 2018 13:20

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Thanks Jim. Very much appreciated.

Roger Gaemperle 4th August 2018 12:23

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#1252 and the whole album was sold for $282 to a dealer

The dealer now offers the same photo for the "bargain" price of $500 here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/728-WWII-10...IAAOSw1iFbZQ3q

Interestingly, the caption is shown as well and states that it was photographed at Ansbach. So, possibly a EGK(J) machine?

Marc-André Haldimann 4th August 2018 12:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 255825)
#1252 and the whole album was sold for $282 to a dealer

The dealer now offers the same photo for the "bargain" price of $500 here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/728-WWII-10...IAAOSw1iFbZQ3q

Interestingly, the caption is shown as well and states that it was photographed at Ansbach. So, possibly a EGK(J) machine?

Thanks for your feedback, Roger; highly appreciated. The last two numerals of the W.Nr. can be seen atop of the rudder. Given the classic Erla style underwing Balkenkreuz, we have here W.Nr. 41xx20.

Cheers
Marc

ouidjat 4th August 2018 13:09

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RudiS 4th August 2018 13:21

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Micke D 4th August 2018 22:05

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Is is possible that the photo in #1262 shows a late Bf 109G or K from JG 26?
It looks like a black and white band behind the cross.

Marc-André Haldimann 4th August 2018 22:08

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Post 1262: this late war Bf 109 G displays a two coloured RVB band compatible with JG 5 and JG 301. The latter is well documented in the ETO.

Thanks, RudiS !
Marc

RudiS 6th August 2018 13:04

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Ju 88 WNr 330177 VbKz ??+GL in Paris. Can anyone can ID this a/c?

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ArtieBob 6th August 2018 14:59

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Re #1265-Jim Crow collection has another image of this wreckage with the location identified as Bron/Lyon. No other info.

ArtieBob

Nick Beale 6th August 2018 16:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtieBob (Post 255929)
Re #1265-Jim Crow collection has another image of this wreckage with the location identified as Bron/Lyon. No other info.

ArtieBob

I doubt if that's correct since although there was one Ju 88 found at Bron (no details recorded) there was no Me 410, as seen in the foreground. Both those types were found at Salon but none of the Ju 88s there had the W.Nr. 330177 nor the code letters GL.

The reverse of the photo shows that it has been removed from an album and the caption torn. "…is, France" is legible. So, we need somewhere else where there were both a Ju 88 S-3 and an Me 410. In France there are few possibilities for the latter type since the only ones still there by D-Day—so far as I recall—would have belonged to II./KG 51, 1.(F)/121 or 1.(F)/33 and none of those units had very many. Ju 88 S were more common of course.

Kutscha 6th August 2018 17:19

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That is strange looking 'G'. To me looks more like a '5' or possibly a 'S'.

Nick Beale 6th August 2018 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kutscha (Post 255935)
That is strange looking 'G'. To me looks more like a '5' or possibly a 'S'.


Enlarging it, I think it's a stencilled G but I wouldn't say so with certainty.

edwest2 6th August 2018 18:29

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
GL or 5L. A most unusual, to me, tail marking. It is different from the three part transport codes.

Nick Beale 6th August 2018 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 255941)
GL or 5L. A most unusual, to me, tail marking. It is different from the three part transport codes.

Quite possibly the individual aircraft and 3.Staffel code letters, omitting the unit identification.

Merlin 6th August 2018 20:56

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
The Ju 88S-3 was most likely an aircraft from 3./KG 30:
- the unit was equipped with the S-3 from June until August 1944
- the unit was based at Le Culot in Belgium, they flew some missions from Paris-Orly during early August
- since 1943 the last two digits of the unit code were repeated at the top of the rudder by that unit

RudiS 7th August 2018 14:02

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Thanks everyone for trying to identify the unit of the Ju 88 in #1265.


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S Sheflin 8th August 2018 07:07

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hi RudiS,
Your post #1273 illustrates an abandoned engineless Bf 109 K-4. Among its defining characteristics are: “K” wheel doors, the 4x sockets for its DB 605 D electrical connectors are barely visible on its firewall, large upper wing bumps, and open “K” tailwheel doors.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

RudiS 8th August 2018 15:58

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Thanks Steve.

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RudiS 10th August 2018 12:58

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S Sheflin 10th August 2018 20:22

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Hello RudiS, and thanks again for your hard work,

Regarding Post #1276, unless I am mistaken this photo was taken at Fl.Horst Landau-Isar (R-69, near 48.725000 12.695833) and that is Bf 109 G-12 22+ white visible in the background. Interestingly, 22+ white features the KG55 Griffon crest on its port cowling.

Respectfully,

Steve Sheflin

ouidjat 10th August 2018 20:46

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Hi Steve,

Effectively, on other available picture, the Arado is visible in far background.
Another much more interesting detail, if ever, is the fact that code number "Weisse 22" is situated at the right of the "black" cross; reading from left to right.
I.e. the cross on starboard is situated more aft on fuselage (or more forward on port) due to lesser space left by G-12 canopy.

Regards,
Franck.

PS; This feature raising a doubt concerning application of unit markings on that period machines for which only one side is known ;)

S Sheflin 10th August 2018 22:46

Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Correction: Landau-Isar is actually an Einsatzhafen.


Respectfully,


Steve Sheflin

Marc-André Haldimann 13th August 2018 12:43

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Bf 109 G-6/AS or G-14/AS, Germany, Spring 1945.

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Cheers
Marc


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