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Re: eBAy: Captured german planes

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Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 259842)

Hello Snautzer,
Post #1389 - Unless I am mistake, this is the often-photographed Hs 129 B-2 (WNr. 141407) St.Kz. PH+UQ, probably from Fliegerzielgeschwader 3, and found abandoned damaged at Frankfurt-Rebstock after 45/05/08.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Hello Steve,

Could you tell us why you think that this Hs 129 may have belonged to Fliegerzielgeschwader 3? Is it based on the location or on loss lists?

I. and II. Gruppe were disbanded in September 1944. III. Gruppe became 1. - 3./Fliegerzielgruppe IV in June 1944, which itself was disbanded in Feb 1945 at Schongau. Schongau is ca. 300-400km from Frankfurt.

Best regards,

Roger

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I have hard time understanding why would a gasoline guzzling Hs 129 be used for target towing? I am curious to see the source of the statement.

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Hello Roger,
Reference your Post #1441, the short answer is, I have no idea! I just copied what I had entered in my database file and regurgitated it. Sadly, I neglected to document my source for that part of my data.
One of the reasons I so enjoy posting here is because of the opportunity it presents to learn from others and correct my files.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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By way of a bit of background which might support this, HW5/569 records the ferrying of a number of Hs 129s to Babenhausen in a message d/d 23/8/44 which was almost certainly meant for Fliegerzielgeschwader 3.

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Hello Steve & Steve,

Thank you for your feedback and information about the Fliegerzielgeschwader 3. Babenhausen was very close to Frankfurt (ca. 25-30 km). The I. and II. Gruppe were disbanded in September 1944, but the III. Gruppe was only disbanded in Feb 1945 when it was based at Schongau (according to ww2.dk), which was between Munich and Switzerland and not so close to Frankfurt.

Could it be that the HW5/569 record referred to the transfer of I./FZG 3's Hs 129s to another unit at Babenhausen since I./FZG 3 was going to be disbanded in September 1944?

Regards,
Roger

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 261259)

... Babenhausen was very close to Frankfurt (ca. 25-30 km). ...

Is it different now, after the end of WWII ? :)

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Probably. It depends on the specific terrain movements due to plate techtonics in the past 70 years. I guess a meter at max. ;-)

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Post #1450. The nose of the bomber is not fitted with the usual detonator.

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That bomber was a former Ju 88G-1 night fighter.

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Would have looked to have seen clear image of the AR 234 with squiggle camo.

Ar234 A group of ten official, original WWII photographs of German Arado 234 jet aircraft. Photos show aircraft from Kampfgeschwader 76 in various states of disrepair/destruction https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...wwii-440339053

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I'm always on the lookout for "Russian archive" photos. There appear to be a great many of these being sold as original photos. I've decided they are just copies.

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They certainly are, Ed.

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Possibly Hs 129 B-2 (WNr. 141407) St.Kz. PH+UQ, probably from Fliegerzielgeschwader 3, found abandoned damaged at Frankfurt-Rebstock after 8 May 1945. Information courtesy of Steve Sheflin.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...red-1854841630

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 261413)

What a coincidence. A photo from "Russian archives" with the same Mistel:
https://sefwfg.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-2-Weltk...vQW:rk:67:pf:0

And here possibly the same Mistel. Caption says this combination was found at Marburg.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...u-88-526727069

Cheers
Marc

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Dont think so Marc, buildings are missing.

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Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 261424)

Dont think so Marc, buildings are missing.

I believe Marc is right and it's strictly the same Mistel at the same place... i.e. Marburg?.. or Mers(e)burg ???

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No photos today because apparently OneDrive doesn't work properly. So here are the links:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GREAT-WW-2-...Y/312342870116

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-ph...d/223261133669

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 261435)

I believe Marc is right and it's strictly the same Mistel at the same place... i.e. Marburg?.. or Mers(e)burg ???

Good to have your confirmation, Franck. Snautzer, the different time frame /angle speaks does not change the buildings one can see in the background ;)

And yes, Franck, you're correct: the caption says "Mersburg", hence Merseburg indeed.

Cheers
Marc

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[quote=RudiS;261438]No photos today because apparently OneDrive doesn't work properly. So here are the links:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GREAT-WW-2-...Y/312342870116

Great find again, RudiS: at first, It thought we see a bit more of that Bf 109 G from JG 53 you spotted already in post 1453. In fact it is a different machine as the one found today is assumed to be in Fürstenfeldbruck; it is an Erla built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 46x xxx, "Weisse 14" from 1./JG 53.

Cheers
Marc

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Thanks Rudi.

The Bf109E BI+
Since it has a white band ..
E-7(?). BI+WE, WNr.4158, found by British at Trapani-Milo, 13 July 1943. Prien III./JG77 page 19839.
... Most probably.
Former machine of 2.(H)/14 accidented during rolling at Trapani on 14/11/1942. 60%.

Regards,
Franck.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-AAF-32...n/283295594796

They are, indeed, French Air Force AAB

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In Post 1475 the second eBay listing showing the P-38 is the photo of the Lockheed P-38 used on the Five Star Picture Puzzle by Rudy Arnold.

KR
Vince...

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Hello Rudi,
Ju 88 G-6 NF (WNr. 632432) in Post #1478 was found by, among others, troops from the 6th AD, 3rd US Army at Fl.Horst Bad Langensalza.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

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