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Marc-André Haldimann 21st September 2020 16:09
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Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 610 583 "Schwarze 1", the machine of Staffelkapitän Peter Düttmann, Staka 5./JG 52. Information courtesy of John Mcillmurray, 26 September 2018.

Cheers
Marc

S Sheflin 21st September 2020 19:58
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
I suppose this shouldn’t piss me off any more, but it still does. This poorly-reproduced copy, like numerous others of the defining photos taken at Fl.Horst Neubiberg, was taken by Merle C. Olmsted, and as usual, he is not credited. In fact, that’s Merle in the photo.
Beyond that, there is an interesting back-story to this photo. Several times, Merle told me that he was drawn to pose with this particular aircraft because, unlike most of the other II./JG 52 Bf 109’s that featured yellow rudders and cowl bands, this aircraft (WNF-built Bf 109 G-10/U4, WNr. 61xxxx, 1+ - black o/l white, from 5./II/JG 52) featured a “dull faded red cowling.” I was so intrigued by his assertion that I asked him about it on several occasions just to confirm it.
Should this be true, it would certainly make for a striking Messerschmitt indeed.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

edwest2 21st September 2020 20:17
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I'm glad you posted your comment Steve. For all of its benefits, the internet has its bad side. Had this photo been reproduced in a book or magazine without proper attribution, someone would have noticed and been able to point this out to a real person. Now, anonymous persons located in various places can post and offer for sale photos that the average buyer would think are authentic. Complaints to eBay could result in a particular photo's removal and have some affect on the seller's standing. Or not. If someone thinks it's real and buys it, that seller could continue to offer more of the same. I think some mechanism for reporting or keeping track of sellers who offer repros should be put in place.


Best,
Ed

RudiS 21st September 2020 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edwest2 (Post 294979)
I think some mechanism for reporting or keeping track of sellers who offer repros should be put in place.
Best,
Ed
There isn't one on eBay but at least here everyone has the opportunity to report dubious sellers.

Dan O'Connell 21st September 2020 21:12
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I thought that was Merle in the photo. It's only the right thing to do to give him credit even if he is gone. He left so many, to us now, wonders.

Marc-André Haldimann 22nd September 2020 08:45
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 294978)
I suppose this shouldn’t piss me off any more, but it still does. This poorly-reproduced copy, like numerous others of the defining photos taken at Fl.Horst Neubiberg, was taken by Merle C. Olmsted, and as usual, he is not credited. In fact, that’s Merle in the photo.
Beyond that, there is an interesting back-story to this photo. Several times, Merle told me that he was drawn to pose with this particular aircraft because, unlike most of the other II./JG 52 Bf 109’s that featured yellow rudders and cowl bands, this aircraft (WNF-built Bf 109 G-10/U4, WNr. 61xxxx, 1+ - black o/l white, from 5./II/JG 52) featured a “dull faded red cowling.” I was so intrigued by his assertion that I asked him about it on several occasions just to confirm it.
Should this be true, it would certainly make for a striking Messerschmitt indeed.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin
Thanks Steve, for giving proper tribute to Merle C. Olmsted, and the full story behind this photo, including this tantalising red nose for this particular plane. Is W.Nr. 610583 not confirmed ?

Cheers
Marc

RudiS 22nd September 2020 10:33
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https://i.ibb.co/KD3rNkJ/Fw-58-004.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-photo-...gAAOSwARxfaTvh

Rémi Baudru 22nd September 2020 21:45
Post 3955 = D.520
 
Boujour à tous,
The post 3955 shows a photo a wrecked Dewoitine 520 in german markings (left behind at Reims).
Regards.
RB

ouidjat 22nd September 2020 23:28
Re: eBAy: Captured german planes
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Sheflin (Post 294978)
I suppose this shouldn’t piss me off any more, but it still does. This poorly-reproduced copy, like numerous others of the defining photos taken at Fl.Horst Neubiberg, was taken by Merle C. Olmsted, and as usual, he is not credited. In fact, that’s Merle in the photo.
Beyond that, there is an interesting back-story to this photo. Several times, Merle told me that he was drawn to pose with this particular aircraft because, unlike most of the other II./JG 52 Bf 109’s that featured yellow rudders and cowl bands, this aircraft (WNF-built Bf 109 G-10/U4, WNr. 61xxxx, 1+ - black o/l white, from 5./II/JG 52) featured a “dull faded red cowling.” I was so intrigued by his assertion that I asked him about it on several occasions just to confirm it.
Should this be true, it would certainly make for a striking Messerschmitt indeed.
Respectfully,
Steve Sheflin

Hi Steve,
another photo of the kite in Barbas II./JG52 page 222. A Black 1.
Regards,
Franck.

RudiS 22nd September 2020 23:28
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https://i.ibb.co/7SY0CSx/wrecks-117.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Photo-...8AAOSw38Jfai1d


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