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Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

Very interesting read there Kris and well done to your team on their hard work.

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

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Originally Posted by KrisJG3 (Post 148303)

Dears ,

Just now we can inform that "our pilot" from wrack Bf109G-10 (Werk Nr. 490362) on the "Schwarze 9" was Uffz. Günther Rabeler from 2./JG3 (Stab I.)
By the way one of our collegues from team received information from archive about Russian pilot Andrienko Stiepan Ivanowicz (from 233 Fighter Regiment) which probably (on 99%) hitted aircraft with Uffz. Günther Rabeler during air combat.
Russian pilot Andrienko Stiepan Ivanowicz for battle (on 3.03.1945) with strong German forces received order: «Красное Знамя».

It was great job our: "FORENSIC MEDICINE" and team "POMORZE1945" - both from Szczecin.

http://pomorze1945.com/?co=50&lang=EN

Big THANKS also for all other people involved in our action.
Special THANKS for Andrzej ,Piotr and Edward ! :)

( PS- the same Werk Nr.:490362 and pilot name there are on the list from DRK).

Best regards,

Kris

For the data above, this information is not confirmed out of context. So this is what is known about the Soviet pilot that ran a 03.03 45 aerial combat with a score of three victories:
03.03.45 – 1 – Ю-52 – сев. Фрайенвальде
03.03.45 – 1 – ФВ-190 – вост. Альтдамм
03.03.45 – 1 – ФВ-190 – сев. – вост. Альтдамм
He never scored a Me109.
To sum up how you can give a reliable source from whence this information.
PS.
This pilot has only fly in JaK-3
Best Regards
Jarek

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

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Originally Posted by jarecki71 (Post 148416)

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He never scored a Me109.
To sum up how you can give a reliable source from whence this information.
PS.
This pilot has only fly in JaK-3
Best Regards
Jarek

Dear Jarek ,

You have not right ("in half") - information about:
Andrienko Stiepan Ivanowicz (from: 233 Fighter Regiment, aircraft: Jak-3 // 233 иап, самолёт: Як-3)
is on base Russian document from archive. If you need more details you can contact directly with Piotr B. :) - I am sure that he will confirm this fact.
I saw this document, too. :)
He will explain you information about ( "...He never scored a Me109. ...") Fw190 / Bf109 - I think.

Best regards,

Kris

PS - I know that is very and very interesting real situation about combat battle in 3.03.1945 between German 2./JG3 pilots and pilots from 233 Fighter Regiment ( some additional info. proably soon - it needs a lot of time)

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

One of our collegues try to build copy of Bf109G-10 (Werk Nr. 490362) with "Schwarze 9" used by Uffz. Günther Rabeler from 2./JG3 (Stab I.), can you help us agree type of camufflage/painting used on this fighter producted on the end 1944 by Heersteler/Manufacter: Erla Maschinenwerk GmbH, Flugzeugbau, Werk 1, Leipzig
Is it possible agree on base old photos ? I not belive but maybe somebody of you have picture of simillar aircrafts from 2./JG3 Stab I delivered to this unit on the end 1944 ?
It will be nice make small copy Bf109 G-10 for memory of this pilot.

Best regards,

Kris

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

Dears,

Here is some pictures of detail from crashed BF109G10 (Werk Nr.: 490362) like for example buckles.
Please have a look on the same aircraft (which belong to pilot Gunter Rabeler) there were 2 different types of buckles.
One of them was repaired and protected before opening with wire - look interesting , can you show me where this buckles could be used (I think about this with codes) ?

https://picasaweb.google.com/1128626...KfL--nPtYj2qgE

Here this buckles:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/IMG_7801.JPG
This one repaired with wire:
https://picasaweb.google.com/1128626...75582892849906
https://picasaweb.google.com/1128626...75577527158898

https://picasaweb.google.com/1128626...75980151868818
https://picasaweb.google.com/1128626...75999731494466

Just now we are trying describe all details from this aircraft. So soon I will attache more photos but it needs time for cleaning.

Have you Instruction Manuals for Bf109G or list spare parts ?????
It can help us at id of the rest of details from this wrack.

Best regards,
Kris

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

I have seen that kind of fastening on the usual 'tri-spherical' oygen bottle.

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

I have seen the same clamps used on fl30593 kabinen feuerlöscher

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

Dear Friends,

I looking for photo with Gunter Rabeler , Stab I , 2./JG3 , Werk Number 490362 with ""Black 9"" or his military career.

If somebody has some information please contact on prive via e-mial: Huball25@poczta.fm

I had talk with his familly and they have not picutres of his aircraft Bf109 G10.
I know also that he learned young pilots and he was interested flying from early age.

Best regards,
Kris

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

HI Kris!

Contact me when you can...I restore me109's and can ID most of the parts you have.

Also, your PM box is full...

Mike

Re: German wrack from (germ.:Karsbach) and germ. Hinzendorf) in present in Poland

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Originally Posted by harrison987 (Post 156343)

HI Kris!

Contact me when you can...I restore me109's and can ID most of the parts you have.

Also, your PM box is full...

Mike

Hi,

Yes I cancelled some massages from PM box - now You can write message or use my email address.
Thanks for answer.