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Graham Boak 12th September 2013 15:52

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
Yes, I do. Also Putnam's Tupolev Aircraft, and Gordon's book on Russian WW2 bombers. No tailplanes with dihedral on Tu2s. At some risk of straying, I'd point out that all of the Russian twin-fin designs operated by the VVS in WW2 appear to have had dihedral tailplanes, a design feature that possibly is as "standardised" as their overall configuration and wing planforms.

I should add that the thread mentioned above brought out details that are not covered in any of the texts above, although not relevant to this discussion.

bearoutwest 22nd September 2013 05:00

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
The Bulgarian Air Force used a number of Dornier Do17M (and possibly K) aircraft. A number of decal makers have produced colour schemes with the (what I call) splinter camouflage pattern - see link below.

http://img.1001modelkits.com/22740-1...ecals-7247.jpg

If we ignore the actual squadron/aircraft codes of the example in the decal web-page, and look at the distinctive pattern of the wing, and the characteristic light coloured rear fuselage sides. Does this fit the pattern on Denes' photo?

Regards,
...geoff

Dénes Bernád 20th October 2013 18:16

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
Finally, I managed to make a decent scan. Hope it helps:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/305/zhz7.jpg

edNorth 21st October 2013 14:09

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
The code 4N+ suggests Luftwaffe Do 17, and remains of radial engine cowlings,
and remains of (modified?) pre-war scheme.
All three staffeln of (F)/22 flew against France,
using the Do 17 P or M (or mixture of them in 3. Sptaffeln).
Fairly certain this is in wrong section of TOCH! (this is Luftwaffe).
-ed

Larry 21st October 2013 20:06

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
But didn't it start out as a French aircraft

edNorth 22nd October 2013 00:44

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
nah, already suggested this is Do 17 in post #8.
Else there are too many cooks stirring the pot :-)

I am still fairly certain this is Do 17 from (F)/22, code 4N+
the 4 and the N are plainly visible, the N being slightly charred by fire.
Anyways when this photo was taken is summertime, likely long time since it was downed, and that likely expaints the stripped and looted appearance. I bet there lurks another picture(s) of it out there. Photo collectors lease look in your files marked Luftwaffe, 1939/1940, Do 17, (F)/22 ... etc.

I also remember Do 17 camo with Light Blue extending upwards on fuselage, then whats so radical with suggesting lighter patces be parts of pre war colour RLM 02 ?????

waroff 23rd October 2013 02:36

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád (Post 174032)


from the beginning I still say it is a Do 17, watching the details of the tail. This scan removes any doubt

ClinA-78 23rd October 2013 07:41

Re: Aircraft I/D required (redux)
 
Yes, still and ever a Do 17.
Watch the circular engine bearer/mounting between the men at left.
Moreover German soldiers look more or less hopeless!

ClinA-78


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