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Stig Jarlevik

3rd December 2016 19:58

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Andrus

Since you are stating information not listed by anyone else, can you please also state your sources for your information given regarding Salwender?

Cheers
Stig

Black6

5th December 2016 18:59

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

I know this doesn't help greatly but Porath was awarded his RK on 18 Oct 1941 so the photo was taken after that date as he is wearing it in the photo with the 19 tabs.

andrus

5th December 2016 23:33

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Hello,

my sources are CAMO 500/12452/448 and 449 - Luftflotte 5 Meldungen to Finns. Probably given over to soviets after end of war.

Stig Jarlevik

6th December 2016 09:19

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Thanks Andrus

Cheers
Stig

Brian

6th December 2016 13:22

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Thanks to all those who have contributed - we now know much more about Florian Salwender. Excellent!

Out of interest, Salwender's two victories for Hurricanes on 27 September 1941 has to refer to an action against the RAF's 151 Wing based at Vaenga. Intriguing!

Cheers
Brian

Nick Hector

7th December 2016 13:42

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrus (Post 226352)

17.09.1941
Begleitschutz. Fliegende Jäger schossen bei Luftkämpfen 5 feindl. Flugzeuge ab. (Dabei Uffz. Saalwender 19. u. 20. Abschuss.)

27.09.1941
Bei Luftkampf von 3 Me-109 mit 4 Hurricane und 2 „P-2“. Abschuss von 2 Hurricane (Fw. Sallwender 21. Abschuss).

02.11.1941
Vor XXXVI A.K. Einflug eines grösseren Feindverbandes auf Flugplatz Alakurtti (Anzahl nicht gemeldet) durch gestartete 5 Me-109 wurden 5 SB-2, 2 I-16 und 1 I-153 abgeschossen. Dabei Feldw. Salwender (23., 24. und 25. Luftsieg).

Guys (Brian, Johannes et al): http://foro.rkka.es/index.php?topic=2284.0;wap2
A link that is possibly no longer available, gave a victory over an I-153 by Dahmer and victories over a DB-3 and an I-153 by Rudi Mueller for the 17.9.41 air battle.
For the 27.9.41 battle, the other Hurricane was Rudi Mueller's 4th kill
For the 02.11.41 battle, 2 SB-2s by Rudi Mueller.

Hope that helps

Nick

Nick Hector

7th December 2016 13:55

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian (Post 226639)

Brian, I have these listed as claimed against 78 IAP (1st Soviet Hurricane-equipped unit) and that they are overclaims as there were no losses.

Nick

Maxim1

7th December 2016 15:00

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Hi, Nick.

Concerning those battles and claims as well as corresponding Soviet losses, here are the links to the original articles by Aleksandr Mardanov:

http://www.airpages.ru/dc/hist_8.shtml
http://www.airpages.ru/dc/hist_83.shtml

And a summary of Rudolf Mueller's claims in comparing with real losses:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C...BB%D1%8C%D1%84

andrus

8th December 2016 00:04

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

More secondary sources to look at (all in russian):

http://eismeerjager.livejournal.com
http://igor-ktb.livejournal.com

Mardanov got his book about year 1941 published:
Александр Марданов: 1941. Воздушная война в Заполярье.
ISBN 978-5-906716-44-6

discussion with author (seems that forum sometimes does not work): http://www.sk16.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1425

also there is small critique about this book by author of one blog above:
http://igor-ktb.livejournal.com/18903.html
http://igor-ktb.livejournal.com/19106.html

Brian

8th December 2016 00:26

Re: Florian Salwender JG77/JG5 1941/42

Hi Nick

I don't believe you are correct in stating that 78-IAP had been equipped with Hurricanes by 27 September 1941.

Cheers
Brian

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