Re: German Navy Fokker D.VII
 

A Dutch book by Frits Gerdessen (whom Stig already mentioned) and Nico Geldhof says the pilot of the 15 October aircraft was Unteroffizier Alfred Baum of the 1st Seeflug Abteilung, then assigned to Marine Feld Jasta IV at Coolkerke, Brugge (Bruges). A Dutch newspaper also said it came from Bruges.


Gerdessen is pretty thorough. I mailed him personally but he hasn't answered.


I'm not sure but that doesn't sound familiar to me, and it would compromise the Dutch neutrality to let them go, I think.

Re: German Navy Fokker D.VII
 

Something on Engelfried is here:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/engelfried.php


Not neccesarily reliable, of course, but note that its says he shot down a DH-9 near Walcheren, which is the Dutch peninsula around Flushing. It should be possible to find out more about that.

Re: German Navy Fokker D.VII
 

Doh

Terrible mistakes all over....

The book "The Jasta Pilots" have a separate chapter with regard to the Marine Jasta Pilots. So looking in the right place, both Baum and Engelfried are mentioned.

Since Engelfried obviously was an ace, he is mentioned in the "ace" book "Over the lines" as making a force landing in Holland 15 Oct 1918 and since he scored again on the 26th he was obviously not interned by the Dutch.

The book is much more silent regarding Baum since he is only listed as being in the same unit as Engelfried, and interned in Holland 15 Oct 1918. Nothing else.

Since I still believe we only had one force landing in Holland 15 Oct I am still thinking these two persons have to be one and the same.

I just can't buy that the Dutch covered up one landing, because the only solution to such a problem would be that Engelfried landed in his Fokker 5584 and was allowed to take off and return while Baum in 5288 was interned and his Fokker kept. This then immediately clash with the official Dutch listing that it was D.5584 that became their F227.
To make sure things then fit, we have to ensure that Engelfried instead was in 5288 and Baum in 5584.

Things are much easier if Baum and Engelfried are one and the same guy...:D

Cheers
Stig

Re: German Navy Fokker D.VII
 

Busy with other things, but in online old Dutch newspapers there are a few more details about the aircraft that landed at IJzendijke on 15 October. For what it's worth:

'The pilot was a 25 year old Saxon. Aircraft came from Bruges and was numbered 2593 (!) In addition number 115 was on the tail.'

He is also described as an 'onderofficier', which really means NCO, but might refer to the German Unteroffizier rank.