Re: Photo Sopwith
 

You're right, I missed that batch

However the photo shows the enlarged rudder so I believe it is from a later batch.
Do you have any photo of a Tabloid in the 1201-1212 batch, just to compare?

The early Sopwith aircraft are a nightmare. When Bruce Robertson made his book about him and the company he got full co-operation from Sir Thomas, but not sure if he was of much help really....

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hi Stig,


I'd strongly agree that the tailplane points towards a Sopwith Schneider rather than a Tabloid.But as the Col has already pointed out its a Baby and the tailplane would fit a Baby too, that's the most likely conclusion.


The last couple of my posts were just pointing out that there were RNAS Tabloids, not alas that the photo shows a Tabloid. I completely accept that was a wrong initial id on my part.


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Yes Clint

A Schneider or a Baby, but how to prove it? :)
Without a serial number, you will have a hard time doing exactly that.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Clint/Stig,

I pulled my copy of J M Bruce's Sopwith Baby monograph (Albatros, Windsock Datafile No.60, 1996), out of storage. The volume has two photographs (on p.14), of the said Sopwith, with the following captions:

Photo 36. To improve take-off performance and water handling, this Baby was fitted with a pair of elegant floats designed by Major Linton Hope. Their planing bottoms had an outward slope, a feature that was later introduced on the Port Victoria PV5 fighter seaplane - Fine!

Photo 37. The Linton Hope "Schneider" at speed on the Thames - !!!

The batches are clearly defined, but, as Stig said: No serial - no positive ID.

Col.

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Col

A publication I don't have, but I have the highest respect for Jack Bruce and his research. I had not seen the photo before, so I judged it simply from that perspective.

No idea from where Jack Bruce got his ID, quite possibly he had more details available.

I suppose I am also coloured by the "old thinking" that every Sopwith with the horseshoe cowling were Babies and the rest Schneiders....

Looking at the problem from an engine point of view, it seems the 80 hp engined version was the Tabloid, 100hp the Schneider and 110 hp the Baby, but perhaps I am simplifying things too far here....

BTW, thanks for stepping in Col. Always nice the more we get discussing the objects found by Clint! :)

Cheers
Stig

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of an overturned Sopwith 1F.1 Camel of 70 Squadron, quite possibly E7205 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/WW1-Crashed-...kAAOSwmkFe5gUD


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Sopwith Pup C231 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-RFC-Pho...EAAOSwIMtfIGPy


and a Sopwith Dolphin at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-RFC-Pho...MAAOSwGzVfIEvA



Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Sopwith 1.5 Strutter A5950 at:


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Biplane-R...YAAOSwsQpfHUj7


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of Sopwith 1F.1 Camel B2307 of 70 Squadron at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-1918-We...4AAOSwFn9fbdRt


Regards,


Clint

Re: Photo Sopwith
 

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a french Sopwith 1A2 or 1B2 at:


https://www.ebay.it/itm/Aereo-Histoi...wAAOSwfcBZixDN


Regards,


Clint