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Re: Reinhard Heydrich air victories?

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Originally Posted by kalender1973 (Post 80847)

Again Mr. Grabowski supply the community with not fully correct data.

Really?

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First, quite all soviet pilots from the Bykov's book have inconsistences in their accounts. Especially it is very often for the aces, who started in Juny 1941. Sometimes the documents show only 1/3 from public known kills. If we know, that all documents from 55 iap were destroyed during their retreat in 1941, it is not unthinkable that some of Pokryshkin kills were "burnt" too. And may be the higher command instance (division) was not informed about these.

Bykov stressed this point while discussing the Pokryshkin problem. He found no evidence that any victory was missing. In fact, there was positive evidence that records of other pilots were complete, so why the ones of Pokryshkin should be destroyed?
In general, the whole story perfectly fits into the typical Soviet scenario, mentioned by Denes or Andreas. Reagan once called it Empire of Evil, but I think it would be more appropriate to call it Empire of Lie.

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Second, in case of Pokryshkin, Bykov&Co violete their own methodology: if they stand to their own rules( see page 13), the account of Pokryshkin looks at least as 53 personal kills as noted in the award record for the 3rd gold star of HSU.

I have no idea as to what do you mean. There is a note by the name of Pokryshkin indicating differrencies between records, and that the score of 59 kills cannot be supported by any documents. If you know otherwise, provide documents, but please not citation! It is just laughable if such, often not very correct documents are referred to!

Re: Reinhard Heydrich air victories?

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Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken (Post 80863)

Hypothetical discussion:

- How many aircraft have we lost?

- Well, I saw two crashing, but 17 has not returned to their base.

- Can you say for certain that the missing 17 were shot down?

- No

- Well then 2 aircraft lost it is!! Type up your report!

Regards,
Andreas B

Perfect! Let me prolong this hypothetical situation. Next day in the morning commander of VA gives an order to cover most important bridgehead.

"- We can not scramble, cause we have zero planes, all were lost yesterday.

- In you report regiment lost only two. Now you have 15 combat ready planes.

- Sorry. We lied you.

- Oh. That is okay. We are an Empire of lies. Please request another 17 planes for your regiment..."

It is nice to see old stereotypes alive...

Re: Reinhard Heydrich air victories?

Nikita, those stereotypes are well just because of dosens of years of lies.