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Nick,

Good things come in threes.

I found the following photo of a third Ju 188 D-2 in my files. This is from the late (and sorely missed) Jim Crow and identified as "Ju 188 at Innsbruck Austria in 1945" (Holmberg #10161). It is a poor quality image but the wellen of RLM 76 sprayed on the forward fuselage under the canopy differentiates it from the two other machines at Innsbruck-Hötting.

It appears the last two letters of its V-kenn are "CP". If so, it is possibly another Italian refugee from 6.(F)/122, hence “F6+CP. Like “DP” and “PP”, the FuG 220 antenna is visible on the nose canopy, and it is fitted with the straight Eberspächer flame suppressors. Unfortunately, the wing-mounted FuG 216 antennas cannot be discerned.

Cheers,

David

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That reminded me that I had the same photo from Jim Crow. Here it is after a bit of adjustment. F6+CP is quite possible (the unit had one with those codes in January 1945) and maybe +GP (they lost a GP at the end of December but I don't know if they received a replacement). It looks like there's a four-digit number below the cockpit but no chance of reading it.

I can't make out any tail-warning radar antennae either. Worth noting though that a decrypt of 26 March 1945 complained that increased Allied night fighter activity was making operations from Bergamo (base for the Ju 188s of FAGr. 122 and KG 200's Kdo. Carmen) impossible and ops would only resume after tail-warning FuG 217 had been fitted.

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Hi there Gang,

Innsbruck-Hötting keeps on popping up it seems. This time thanks to three very crisp photos taken by Sgt. Richard E. Heavrin, Battery "A" 534th AAA (AW) Bn, which negatives were scanned by M. L. Woolfolk and uploaded on Flickr here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mwoolf...-apaGH4-apdrfd

Given that the mountains are still white with snow - which fell as late as 1 May 1945 - and that two of the JV 44 machines have still camouflage material on their wings or near the tail in the case of "Schwarze 1", I wonder if those photos might have been taken right after the arrival of the US troops on 4 May.

Cheers
Marc

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Excellent find Marc, Thank you.
... From left to right.

"Rote Eins" 110188
113371
111751.

Regards,
Franck.

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Thanks for those W.Nr. Franck, much appreciated.

Cheers
Mar

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Franck,

I might add the following comments:

LEFT: “Ro.1” is WNr.110766 from 2./KG 51 as the attached photos confirm. The machine is listed on the 26 April 1945 document of Me 262 aircraft at München-Riem under the section of JV 44 aircraft. It was also accompanied by a handwritten notation "I/KG 51" confirming its unit identity.

CENTRE: Agree that it is WNr.113371, a machine often confused with WNr.111712. The former machine’s Hakenkreuz is white, whereas the latter‘s is black. Additionally, while both located in the western part of the airfield this machine faces west-southwest whereas WNr.111712 faces east-southeast.

RIGHT: This is not WNr.111751, as it was located near the northwest corner of the airfield adjacent to the Innsbruck-Telfs road with at least three of the Me 262s. Furthermore, it faces almost due east. The machine in question is near the southwest corner of the airfield and faces northeast. The photo was taking looking north with the Höchenberg (left) and Achselkopf (right) in the background. This machine’s camouflage and markings suggest it could be WNr.112360 from JV 44, though there are other possibilities.

Cheers,

David

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I agree with Dave as per photo 1 being 110766.

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I agree only for the "7" :) But it's okay for me, in a democracy only majority is right ...

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... and for the last digit, a "6" which is clearer on my copy ...

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A "new" small finding of veteran photos taken at Fl.Pl. Giessen, April 1945.

Ju 88 C-6 W.Nr. 360035 "NB+CT":
https://www.flickr.com/photos/meanpc.../in/datetaken/

Ju 88 G-1 "9W+FT", 9./NJG 101:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/meanpc.../in/datetaken/

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 10", 2./JG 4:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/meanpc.../in/datetaken/

Cheers
Marc

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If you need a reason why one should not have a free, unsecure and public Flicker account.

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a stack of damaged Bf 109s captured in Rostov in February 1943:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fNT...ew?usp=sharing

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Thanks Zeka !

Marc

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thanks to Spektor, over on modelforum.cz, this superlative color film made at München-Riem in June 1945:
https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic....zJYh4#p2361514

With my thanks to Tomas Prusa for the pointer.

Source: http://www.archiv-akh.de/filme/3782?...T4m9OMmxIOr8#1

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Thank you!

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I just (re)discovered the attached item (from TNA AIR 23/3311) which confirms in paragraph 4 that three FAGr. 122 Ju 188s reached Innsbruck from Italy. This information apparently came from the unit's last CO, Maj. Metzel

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Thanks for your follow-up, Nick. It is highly appreciated.

Sincerely
Marc

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I was actually looking for something about Beaufighters when I found it!

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Video close-up details on Bf 109G-6 W.Nr. 166 133, Hptm. Constantin M. "Bazu" Cantacuzino,
Grupul Vanatoare 9,
San Giovanni, 27.August 1944

https://www.pond5.com/fr/stock-foota...-out-his-plane
https://www.pond5.com/fr/stock-foota...llied-aircraft
https://www.pond5.com/fr/stock-foota...als-and-fusela

Spektor.

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Thank you, absolutely amazing!

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Hi there Gang,

A new snippet of film found by Spektor over on modelforum.cz shows :

1. Fw 190 A-8 W.Nr. 680 833 found at Brussels-Melsbroek
2. Ta 152 H "?E+OY", blown-up, Germany, Spring 1945.

https://imgur.com/r/warplanesnuffporn/3bdtVyD

Any details known about that Ta 152 H ?

Cheers
Marc

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Fourth prototype of the Ta 152 H, the Fw 190 V18/U2, W.Nr 0040, CF+OY. Found by the Canadians at Reinsehlen.

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Thanks pvanroy,

For your identification. Much appreciated

Cheers
Marc

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Hi,
FW 190 A-8 W.Nr.730373 SP+SO "Gelbe 10" Munich airport.
Another photo in the book Fw 190 Volume Two 1943-1944, Smith and Creek p.403

source: https://twitter.com/jonathanslaght/s...32031928393729

Ľubo.

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Two new to me photos of a shot down Ar 234, location and date unknown.

As soon links will be again possible to post, you'll see them ;)

Cheers
Marc

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Two new to me photos of shot down Ar 234 W.Nr. 140173 "F1+MT" crash-landed by Hptm Josef Regler, 9./KG 76 at Selgersdorf, 23 February 1945.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kylesp...7688017960286/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kylesp...7688017960286/

Cheers
Marc

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Nice find Marc! Well done

Even more interesting (to me) are the other photos from the 386BG.
Pity this "Kyle Spiritus" is a man of extremely few words, but the action photos of the many B-26Bs are worth waiting for....:)

Cheers
Stig

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You're welcome, Stig.

Tow further photos, this time stemming from the RNZAF Museum, both taken at Copenhagen-Kastrup in June 1945:

Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 465 466 "Schwarze 8", 10./JG 51, Copenhagen-Kastrup, June 1945. Source: Ronald Wynn Russell Collection via airforcemuseum.co.nz.
https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz...%3Fq%3DKastrup

A line of Fw 190's:
https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz...%3Fq%3DKastrup

Cheers
Marc

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Hi there Gang,

Russian archives do behold fascinating new materials, like this page compiling photos from Eastern front airfields overrun between March and April 1945.
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

Any additional information will be highly appreciated.

Cheers
Marc

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Hi again Marc,


"Wargen airfield" is todays Kotelnikowo, northwest of Kaliningrad. It is the site of the Chkalovsk air base, but I don't have the time now to look up which german airfield it was. Someone else might help here.



"Lindenau airfield" is a little unclear, as there where (at least) two Lindenaus in the Königsberg area. One to the northeast of Königsberg, the other near Heiligenbeil. Neither one was exceptionally close to a Luftwaffe airfield (at least at my first glance). Normally I would venture a guess that this "Lindenau" means Heiligenbeil, but Heiligenbeil airfield is explicitly mentioned in other photo captions from the site you posted, so "Lindenau" might be some different place.


Other shots in this soviet collection show Pillau-Neutief.


Cheers,
Christian

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Many thanks ChristianK, your expertise is highly appreciated.

Further in this archive, a selection of photos taken at Fl.Pl. Brüsterort after it was overrun by the Russian Army, 13 April 1945.
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

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Some victories - captured planes as photographed by the Russian Army:

Bf 110, 22 January 1945
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

Shot down 15 January 1945:
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

Brand new He 177, 2 March 1945:
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

Fw 190, 5 March 1945:
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?z=ph...otos-140181428

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Fl.Pl. Neuendorf, overrun 12 April 1945:
https://vk.com/albums-140181428?fbcl...otos-140181428

Cheers
Marc

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This was posted over at modelforum.cz by Spektor. Sadly, no source is given, but the photo is labeled as being taken at Erfurt. I cross-checked with an aerial shot from Erfurt-Bindersleben from 10 April 1945 and the location seems to be correct. Anyway, are there more photos of these planes known? I think I saw this (JG 11?) Fw 190 A somewhere else, and the D-9 should be new? Thoughts?


Cheers,
Christian

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Thank you, Marc, for this site. I found these two pictures:

At the top left what appears to be the wing of a Ju 86 P/R:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=732

At the bottom appears to be a late model P-51 in Luftwaffe markings.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=733


best regards,

Jim

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You're most welcome, Jim !

For your first attachment, I would respectfully suggest a Ju 52/3m; notice the Go 242 in the background.

The second attachment does show us Fl.Pl. Prenzlau, captured late April 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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An unexpected photo from the Stadtarchiv Memmingen, taken 26 April 1945 by a former US POW which shows Me 262 A-1 W.Nr. 111705 or 111785 :

Source:
https://stadtarchiv.memmingen.de/pub...ITxz_pa3JFC_4Q

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After a bit of adjustment to the shadows and highlights, it looks like 785.

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First picture: Vinnytsia, USSR (now Ukraine)
https://vk.com/wall-140181428_8472?browse_images=1

From 2.BA album (pamyat-naroda.ru)

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Thanks Nick !

Dan O'Connnell and David E. Brown have a new W.Nr. on their shelves.

Cheers
Marc