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Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 264862)

Fw190D captured French https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-10-...8AAOSwXq5cXz8Z

Ta 152

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... and not French, but British and handed over to the US

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Ta152 H-0 150 010 CW+CJ, captured at Aalborg by British forces taken to US, coded FE 112 later T2-112 still there.

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Thanks as usual for the links Rudi and Snautzer!

Note the last three links are extracted from a very recent album auction where it was captioned "Bulge".
Three pictures are far bigger; thanks for these precious links.

Regards,
Franck.

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First Bf109 ... looks like "Weisse 4" in Kassel: WNr.786316

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Originally Posted by ouidjat (Post 265031)

First Bf109 ... looks like "Weisse 4" in Kassel: WNr.786316

Hi there,

Good spotting, Franck; both photos do depict indeed Mtt built Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 786 316 "Weisse 4", 1./JG ?, Kassel, May 1945.

Cheers
Marc

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Two new pics of the G-6/AS 2./EJG2. 'Grüne 5' of Oblt. Manfred Dieterle. at Gardelegen

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Hello, Nice photos but Manfred Dieterle never flew "Green 5".
Cheers, Jerry

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Originally Posted by Jerry Crandall (Post 265092)

Hello, Nice photos but Manfred Dieterle never flew "Green 5".
Cheers, Jerry

Thanks Jerry. This raises a question in my mind: this machine was published in Jet&Prop 3/2003, p. 21, associating it - if not mistaken - with Oblt. Dieterle. From then on, it was widely accepted for evidence, as illustrated in Neil Page's blog here: http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/search...109%20G-6%2FAS or on my own flickr pages for that matter.

Could you be more precise why we can discard Oblt. Dieterle as having no connection to "Grüne 5" ?

Thanks in advance
Marc

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Hello Marc, Yes, I remember that article but the photo with the someone in or on the a/c but that was not Dieterle. During one of our several interviews with him we discussed his time with 2./ EJG2 , in fact he had the original emblem of this unit in his den. He gave us a copy of his Flugbuch and there is no "Green 5". He did fly "Green 14" twice but his last a/c was "Red 2" and that was at Schleswig.
Hope this helps, Jerry

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Originally Posted by Jerry Crandall (Post 265099)

Many thanks for your kind precisions, Jerry; they are much appreciated.

Sincerely
Marc

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Hello,

here is a survey of the German literature:

Jet & Prop 3/2003
Article of Joachim Geyer „Green 5“ = Probably Bf 109 G-14/AS, pilot Oblt Dieterle.

Jet & Prop 4/2003
Correction of Harald Herbert Vogt: „Green 5“ = Bf 109 G-6/AS

Luftwaffe im Focus Edition No. 4/2004
Article of Gerhard Stemmer“Facts and Dates Concerning the History of the Night Fighter Replacement Training Staffel, later I./EJG 2“
2./EJG 2 was commanded by Oblt Manfred Dieterle from 6 Nov 1944, but no personally connection to the Bf 109 G-6/AS „Green 5“.

Luftwaffe im Focus Special No. 2/2006
Article of Axel Urbanke „Almost A Miracle: „Green 5“ of 2./EJG 2 in Colour“

Luftwaffe im Focus Edition No. 13/2007
Reader’s Forum. Reproduction of the „Green 5“ colour photo in the special edition here in a better quality.

Regards
Leo

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Marc, You are welcome.
Cheers, Jerry

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Originally Posted by Rottler (Post 265105)

Thanks Leo ! I forgot about LiF 4, and there stands pretty much everything we know about this unit.

Cheers
Marc

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Last one is Neubiberg afaik

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Via some image processing for beginners, here's that He 111 turned the right way round, making the motto (»komm zurück« = "come back") easier to read.

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Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 265079)

long tail wheel https://www.ebay.de/itm/2-WK-Foto-Fl...0AAOSwIO9cZvlx
Ju88 ??+EW wreck https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Photographie...IAAOSwRvdZYNC3

hi,
-> 1.: never seen an 109 with code L1...
regards
jim

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Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle (Post 265167)

Last one is Neubiberg afaik

Yep, Yellow 14+-, of II./SG10

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Originally Posted by jim norton (Post 265173)

hi,
-> 1.: never seen an 109 with code L1...
regards
jim

Neither have I and it would be interesting to hear what our 109 experts think of it.

Why does it look like an E-model? And why such a tail wheel??

Cheers
Stig

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Now, this I think is no Bf 109 at all. Not a single part looks like a Messerschmitt.
Cheers
Carl

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It's a Bf 108 I would say, liaison plane belonging to some staff unit. Oddly enough I also believe this one is wearing JG 301s yellow-red fuselage band...

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Re #1575:
apart from the nice Bf109 no one seems to take note of the yet unseen new Bernburg photographs with G-10 Mistels, other Ju88G and a He162 under construction.
I love it, am I alone?.
Thanks for pointing at this unfortunately overseen photograph collection.

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Originally Posted by RudiS (Post 263326)

https://unhjsw.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://ungaeq.am.files.1drv.com/y4m...&cropmode=none
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW...e/292908433073

I nailed this machine with the help of Stefaan Bouwer and Franck Benoiton: it is Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 655 "Gelbe 24", Lt. Anton Wöffen, Staka 6./JG 27, near Rheinberg, Germany, after 11 March 1945. Other photos of this machine are published in Prien, Rodeike and Stemmer 1997, p. 462.

Cheers
Marc

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Originally Posted by Snautzer (Post 265207)

Me262 color https://www.ebay.com/itm/Luftwaffe-M...UAAOSwLXBcagGh
FW190 (NC900) https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-Fra...4AAOSweTlcaxlR
Ju52 Minensuchgruppe https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Flugzeu...wAAOSw8zNcF~C4

Hi Snautzer,

Thank you for the photo of the Me 262.

Compare the pattern on the trailing edge of the flaps:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=616

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....&pictureid=615

best regards,

Jim

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